I want to talk more about the mind spirits. One must understand that they are just people, like so many people currently on Earth, who have died completely ignorant of the truth and the availability of the Divine Love, suddenly to wake up in the mansion worlds, not dead, very much alive, and in their new spirit body. And once they’ve settled into their new spirit life, they mostly get on doing all the things they enjoyed doing when on Earth, and trying out all sorts of new things. Some of them strive for higher meaning, ‘knowledge’, as it’s commonly called, and some believe they are progressing and making headway in their soul development of truth. And some are able through applying their mind, to ‘perfect’ themselves, that being how they believe they should be, and move up higher in the three mansion worlds fully allocated to them. And as you understand, they mostly achieve this by focusing their minds on controlling their feelings, increasing in perfection of their feeling control, and so feeling-denial, as they move up to the high planes of the sixth world. And on doing this, they are living a higher moralistic life, and one in which they believe they are not harming anyone, which they are not, only they are still harming themselves through their feeling denial, the truth of which they refuse and so fail to see. And you have examples of what these spirits are trying to achieve through their mind control on Earth, as in some of the Eastern teachers, masters, guru’s and swamis. Those people who have given up all the material aspects of life, choosing to live only a higher ‘enlightened’ life of the mind, striving to be at-one with God of Mind, that being who they identify and relate to God as; trying to live in the eternal bliss of cosmic consciousness, and all that is said to be attributed to that. However all they are doing is leading themselves further into their self-deluded states of mind, ever further from their true selves, their true natures, and their true feelings.
So Jesus, what you are saying is that for the many people who worship and strive to be like these Eastern gurus and mystics, what they are actually doing is striving to perfect their evilness, trying to perfect their negative state. And not actually living true to their feelings or themselves at all. That it’s all only a fantasy and mind escapism.
So those sixth world spirits, and really all the mind spirits, are in prison.
Yes, a self-made one, one of their own minds creation - nothing more than a self-made fantasy. And they are of course free to remain as they wish, no one is going to interfere with them. However Mary and I want to make people understand that they have a choice, and they don’t have to remain confined to such worlds - the mind mansion worlds and their own inner mind ‘worlds’.
But those mind spirits must love being in their negative states, wanting to remain in them.
Yes they do James, just as many people love being in their negative state now in flesh. Not everyone feels as bad about themselves and their lives as you and Marion, as you well know.
And so really, if we want to grow spiritually, then we have to confront all those dreaded bad feelings we’re denying, so we have to feel very bad as we do our healing, before we can feel good.
Yes, that’s right. And if everyone were to understand that you are all conceived into a state of evil, you are conceived as sinners as you might say; you are inducted into the Rebellion and Default by your parents and the societies you live in, then you would have to ask yourself, if you did feel good about being evil - why do you feel good?
Yeah, but that’s very hard to do. God we all want to feel as good as we can. To have to face the truth that all we’re doing to make ourselves feel good we might have to stop; and what if all our good feelings go and we’re only left with our bad ones... I can’t see too many people, Jesus, being very happy with all you’re saying.
Of course they won’t James, but now is the time for it to be said. For too long humanity has been left to live in its self-delusion, endlessly creating fantasies for itself, such as all the religions, the Eastern spiritual philosophies, the New Age and so on. It’s all a mental aberration, nothing more than fantasies of the mind, and it all has to come to an end. And of course that’s much easier said than done, but many mind spirits during the course of Mary’s and my age have woken up to the untruth they are living; have left their mind mansion worlds, embraced the Divine Love, and moved to do their healing in the Divine Love worlds, then have moved into the Celestial spheres once having completed it. And so it’s time now that such general information is made available on Earth, so those people who don’t want to remain in their evilness, being subjected to and controlled by it, can do something about it.
So everyone who seeks to heal themselves and better themselves using their mind at the expense of some feelings, are actually making things worse for themselves.
Much worse James, much, much worse. Because once you arrive in the mind mansion worlds, and you see just how much easier life is without all the physical restrictions; and how there are so many other things to busy yourself with, taking your mind further off your bad feelings, allowing you to deny them even more and more easily; then it becomes that much harder to let it all go, to wake up and realise that that way of life is actually detrimental to your souls well-being. And that you are heading in the wrong direction, not getting closer to God at all, but getting further away.
You said in the Padgett Messages that it was better for us to begin longing for the Divine Love whilst in the physical, as it will help us more in the long run when we come to spirit, is that all apart of what you’re saying now?
Yes, because should you begin to long for the Divine Love understanding what it’s doing for you and why you are longing for it, not just doing it unconsciously as you long to be with God like many people do; then when you arrive in spirit, if you have not considered doing your healing, you will be introduced to it by higher Celestial spirits, and more than likely you will choose to move into the Divine Love healing worlds.
Some people who have received the Divine Love, albeit unconsciously through their own private or religious longings to be at-one with God, still find it very difficult to let go of their minds controlling ways, even though they are qualified to live in the Divine Love mansion worlds, because they are not usually ready to embrace their healing. And a lot of them actually choose to go back and live in the mind worlds until they’ve done all they want to do in them.
So if we have some Divine Love in our soul, we don’t have to live in the Divine Love mansion worlds when we come over to spirit?
No, you don’t have to.
Jesus, there is so much confusing and contradictory stuff available to us, with us having to go no further than the Padgett Messages, when you compare a lot of what you and the Celestials said in them, to what you are telling me. And I only believe what you are telling me because of my having worked on my healing these past sixteen years and having found out for myself a lot of what you are saying to be true. But all the confusion about the worlds and planes and who’s in what and doing what in them, will surely cause a lot more problems for people.
It will, and is already James, but I’m afraid that’s the way of things in the negative. Nothing is straight forward, it’s all evil, the truth is always shrouded in untruth, and so it’s a huge maze for people to work their way through. But as you and Marion have set out to do that in your different ways, so Mary and I can now come and shed more light on it, and hopefully what we say will make more sense when people study it and live it, finding out for themselves as you have done.
I mean Jesus, you are saying that everything we consider as being a worthwhile religion and spirituality, is wrong. That all the Churches and other religions are wrong; all the Eastern stuff is wrong; there is no reincarnation; and all the New Age stuff is meaningless, all that about raising your vibration into being able to access higher dimensions of consciousness or whatever is the latest thing they are going on about. And even The Urantia Book and Padgett Messages are highly limited.
Yes James, and isn’t it perfect! What could be more perfect than that! Because it’s all in keeping with your negative state, because being of it and in it, you can’t be true - you are not true, you are living untrue to yourselves, so all you do, has also to be untrue; reflecting your state of mind and will, being an expression of your evilness - or, untruth.
So as The Urantia Book, and even the Bible in its own way, tells you, you are living against yourself, wrongly, evilly, sinfully, in rebellion and default - whatever you want to call it; so then the logical conclusion to draw from that is that all you do is wrong, that you are all wrong, all heading up the proverbial river without your paddles.
And so taking the next step of logic, wouldn’t it be right that were Jesus to return to Earth, he would come and tell you, you are all wrong, untrue, and that how you are living and all you believe is not right, that being, all anti him. And that’s how you live, all anti Mary and myself. So that’s what I’m telling you. I have returned, only not in flesh, and I am telling you. Many people say and believe they want to follow me, but actually, like everything else, they don’t, for how can they when they are steadfastly mired in their negative state of mind and will, doing all they can to deny so much of themselves.
Which brings us back to how so many Christians believe you are going to appear any day now.
And I won’t, for here I am now, right before their very eyes, only invisible to them, and I can’t come back, because like everything else they believe, it’s all wrong. We’re I to come back and appear in flesh as they are all hoping, I’d be condoning their wrongness, I’d be saying they are right, that the way of evil is right, which I am not saying in these words I am inspiring you to write James. And so were I to actually return to the Earth world, I’d be saying all I am saying to you, and no one would want to know what I was saying other than a few people who were genuinely seeking the truth, just as it was when I was on Earth; and I’d do miracles and everyone would be agog, but still they would cling to their religions and spiritual beliefs, and nothing would change anymore than it did with my coming.
And why wouldn’t it change, surely you have the power to change it?
I do, but as I’ve told you, I’d never use it on people. I would never force or make another person go against themselves, making them do or believe something they didn’t want to. So I would come and go, and all those people would still be looking to the future for their beloved messiah to come and lead them to the promised land. And I will tell you this, there are no such people coming to any of the religions or descending out of the sky, be it in spaceships or with the help of angels. There will be from time to time charismatic leaders within these systems of belief, just as there always has been, some leading the people for a time, some causing disruption within the system and starting breakaway groups, but no one like the Chosen One who’ll come and elevate their religion or spiritual system to be the right and true one, the best one, the one better than all others, will come. And they won’t come because they don’t exist, and never will. It is all only part of the fantasy inherent in such systems to keep everyone in them looking to a better future, which is-
I get it, just more bad feeling denial, all to keep them happy; and that if they are good, then they will be one day be rewarded for upholding the faith, for staying true to their beliefs, all just to keep themselves bound up in their controlling mind states.
Yes. And such systems have to be that way, they have to have such an appealing element, all to keep the people bound into them. For if they didn’t, if they said what Mary and I are saying: that it’s all up to you, no one is going to save you other than yourself by your striving to live true to all your feelings as you uncover the truth of them, then such fantasy based systems would disintegrate.
So the spirits that created those systems knew what they were doing.
The original higher rebellious spirits did, and humanity has unwittingly followed along.
Jesus, I have to say this to you, but lately, as in the last few days, I’ve started to feel rather tired of all this. We’ve been over so much of it before, so many times, and even though like now, in going over some of it again, you still amaze me how you can frame it and add new bits to make it seem like we’re just beginning with it all, but I’m feeling like I’ve been on a long marathon and I wish the end was in sight. I am still very much enjoying posting it all, and doing all I do on the internet and writing all I do; and speaking with you and Mary is always so good, but as I used to hang on every word you said, always wanting you to tell me more, now I feel like I’ve almost had enough of it all. Almost like, well I’ve done that, I get it, I want to move on, which is how I am with everything, all of which I’ve worked through over the years; and so I guess it’s just more of all of that coming up in me again, more to talk about with Marion.
Yes James, always more until it’s all out of you. But in fact it is good that you are feeling this way, because it means you are no longer approaching it with your mind as much as you were, trying to use all the information to give your mind its power over your feelings. Now as you’re letting go of your mind and allowing your feelings to lead you more in life, so you’re wanting to express them, and not just tediously go over and over all the mental side of understanding it all. So it’s all a good sign James, and as you know, you’ve thought that you might even get to a point in yourself when you no longer want to write about it all, only speak about it if there were the need. And it would appear you’re moving this way.
Each time I reach a point where I feel, right, that’s it, I’m not going to write another word, that lasts for a few days and I talk about such feelings to Marion; then no sooner have I talked about it all with her, and whoosh, I can’t write fast enough. I just wish I enjoyed re-reading and proofing it as much as I do writing it.
Jesus, I’m sorry for stopping you from continuing with what you were saying, did you have anything further you wanted to say about the higher rebellious spirits and how we’ve been seduced into following them - doing what they said?
No James, not at the moment. And always just respond to your feelings James, it’s right that you do.
Jesus, and Mary, as I know you are listening Mary, thank you both so much for all you’ve done for me. I have thoroughly loved every moment of it all, working it all out with your help, and you telling me so much about everything. I do feel good about it all, so grateful to you both, and I can’t wait to meet you both in person when I come to spirit. I only wish I could meet you now and didn’t have to wait until then. And I also wish I didn’t feel so bloody wretched so much of the time so I could feel very good and really appreciate all you have done for me. But mostly, as I’m consumed by my bad feelings and struggling to express them, I feel I hardly have time to fully appreciate and understand the great privilege afforded to me by the Mother and Father by being able to have such a close relationship with you both. So, thank you both again. I do hope you understand that I do love doing all of this with you, and even though, as I said, I feel like I’m tiring of it all, it’s not being with you and talking with you that I’m tiring of, it’s just going over the same old stuff, as that’s what it’s becoming now.
Mary: James, it’s to be second nature for you, for you to live it by feeling it and knowing that it’s true through your feelings. And it’s all to show - demonstrate - how one can extract themselves from such heavy mind control as you’ve been under. You and Marion have been subjected to extreme mind control, more so than most people, which has rendered you all but inept in being able to live in and cope with and make a go of life in the negative as most people can do. But it’s all vital that you both keep going through it all, keep expressing all you feel and think about it, and whether that is to each other or to Jesus and I. And the more you talk about it all, and especially all your bad feelings, the better it will be for you, that being how it will be for everyone. All your hidden and repressed bad feelings from your early childhood have to come out. And the only way they can is by your feeling them now, as they are the same feelings, and expressing them now, all that you couldn’t express back then, and by doing so, so reconnecting in a sense with them.
Marion was saying this morning that she doesn’t see that she’s reconnecting with them, because she is always them, she’s never not been them, she just wasn’t allowed to bury and push them aside and convince or delude herself that she wasn’t feeling them anymore, like I did and keep doing. So I see what you mean by saying “reconnecting in a sense”, because as she said, those same feelings are always there with us, they haven’t actually gone away anywhere.
That’s right James, and it’s why it’s been so very difficult for Marion. She was not allowed to escape and bury and hide them away as most people can do. So she sees and feels she is them, the same feelings as she felt when young that she feels now being older, that there is in a way no time difference or separation. Whereas you tend to look back at yourself when you were young trying to use the feelings you now feel to reconnect with that young self, that person you ‘used’ to be. But the truth is, as Marion said, you are still that person, you’ve not changed on the feeling level, only got older. So you tend to feel like you and that little boy james are almost two separate people, whereas for Marion she is still that little girl, nothing has changed for her.
I do Mary, I look back at myself as if I can see myself there running around and feeling mistreated by mum, dad and Gran. Marion was trying to help me see that I shouldn’t do that, that I should see that I am that little boy now, even though I’m not still running around. And that there is no difference between me now and me back then; and that’s what I’m trying to do, to just have the feelings as the conduit so to speak, so how I feel now is how I felt back then and all the way along. And mostly how I feel now is bad, which is showing me the truth over these years of just how bad I’ve always felt but refused to acknowledge, that being, how bad mum and dad made me feel. I’ve never stopped feeling bad, that being the truth and the worst and saddest part of it.
That’s right James, and it is very sad, but it’s true. And it’s good that you can see what Marion means because she is right in all that she says and how she perceives herself and her feelings.
The more I’m able to get my mind out of it, as Jesus said was slowly happening, the more I can relate to how Marion does, all on the feeling level. It is extraordinary how she does without having any mind crap and fantasy stuff to separate her like I do from my young self and all the parts in-between.
Mary and Jesus, I have to go now, dinner is waiting. Thank you both once again, I do so love speaking about it all to you as I’ve said. And thank you both for all your help.
You’re most welcome James, and it’s been our pleasure and delight, and continues to be. However should you feel you no longer want to speak with us, that too is fine by us.
I want to always speak with you, I can’t image never speaking with you both, but I guess it has to end one day. It’s the actual writing it all down and having to re-read it all so many times that’s making me feel tired with it all.
We understand James. It’s a laborious process, and particularly as English was not something you liked or appreciated much.
Only because it was all part of the denial of myself. Little did I think that it was right and good to fully express yourself, all you feel, all you are of the language that are. Anyway Mary, I’ll be speaking to Marion about my tiring of it all. And I’ll speak to you both soon.
Okay James, we’ll be here if you want to keep going with it. Bye now - Mary.