No James, that would mean you’d just be taking dictation, which is what we want to avoid. However that’s not to say that there is anything wrong with that way of communicating with spirits, such as Jesus and the Celestial spirits did with James Padgett in the Padgett Messages. It’s just that with you, we require a representative from humanity - yourself - who actively comes to us wanting to understand the truths of self and the truths of life.
You see our personal time with humanity, as we’ve told you, is now coming to an end. Had we been speaking with you at the beginning of our relationship with humanity, then we’d need to instruct you more and simply make the necessary revelations available to you so you could take such truth and information, apply it to your lives, and evolve yourselves and it during the course of our spiritual age with you. But now as our spiritual age is drawing to a close, it’s up to you, humanity, to come to us for such truths and information, just as you are doing. It’s more a technical reason than anything else. So please continue to ask us questions, and we’ll see to it that we say all that needs to be said. And we don’t mind at all going back over the same topics, even the same information, as we have with you over these years. It’s all for you James, and now it’s all for humanity. We are here to help you, however you are to tell us what help you require. And if it’s within our power, that being, if it’s within the requirements of your souls growth, we’ll willing respond. There is much we are not at liberty to tell you about if you ask us, the reasons being that we don’t want to interfere with your natural soul growth and personality evolution. Humanity, as with a single person, has to come to the truth as they feel to do so, and it’s not for us to go too far ahead of you at any one time. Where we to tell you all we know, you’d have no way of comprehending it in the first place and it would also jeopardise your souls advancement. The state humanity is in, which we’ll cover through our conversations, is one in which your minds are very susceptible to corruption, to adding more untruth to what they already contain. And in no way do Jesus or I want to make it any harder for you than it already is. So it’s better if we go along with you at your pace, rather than making you leave yourself having to rely more on your mind to take control. Your minds are already too much in control of you, and more such control we want to avoid at all times. So when you ask us certain questions pertaining to certain subjects, we will tell you that we can’t answer them because we don’t want such answers to interfere with your future souls growth.
Are you saying that personally to me or for us all?
Okay, I understand.
So keep going James, you ask us whatever you like and we’ll respond to you through our feelings - feeling what’s best for you.
So it’s something like being with a young child, it can’t understand all an adult does nor relate to it as such, so one has to relate to the child on its level.
Yes, however that’s not to say the child is to be spoken to without full respect for it, as so many parents speak to their children. As an adult you don’t have try and become a baby or child yourself to relate to the child, you remain yourself but sensitive to your child’s needs.
I can’t bear all that goo-goo, ga-ga baby talk when the child is clearly well beyond that stage, or when adults speak to children as if they are retarded having to go so slow almost spelling out each word.
It reminds you too much of how it was for you at times when you were young James.
Yes, I can feel myself starting to get angry.
More bad feelings for you to express and talk with Marion about.
Yes, however as she’s feeding ‘her’ birds, I won’t interrupt you and sign off now, instead I’ll put my anger on hold until we’ve finished.
And as you know James, please feel free to stop and start writing with us anytime. Even if you break mid-sentence, that’s fine with us. It’s nothing for us to pick up at any time where we left off, even if it’s days or weeks later. And if Marion wants to talk to you whilst we’re talking, and you want to respond to her, again please just cut us off and we’ll wait for you to return. It’s far more important that you honour and respect your relationship with Marion than concerning yourself with how we might feel about suddenly being left in the lurch.
But Mary, don’t you have better things to do with your time than hang around waiting until Marion and I finish whatever it is we’re talking about?
What could we do better with our time than covey such truths and information to humanity - to you James. And besides, it’s not like that for us, we don’t do any hanging around I assure you. We have the ability to speak mentally like this to you wherever we are and whomever we are with, even if we are already in conversation with other spirits, angels or universal personalities. And I know you can’t understand this, but once you come to spirit you will as you’ll be able to do it yourself as your soul evolves. So our speaking with you is very easy, it requires no effort on our part and it’s thoroughly enjoyable. We have loved every word we’ve said to you James over the years, it’s been a great pleasure to both Jesus and myself. And I know this too you struggle to relate to, however I assure you, it has been. And also James, please feel free to ask about anything you like, and I mean anything. And as I said, if we can’t answer your question, it will only be to protect you from your own minds control over you.
Thank you Mary. I won’t hold back.
Mary, did you have sex with Jesus?
On Earth you mean?
You can sex in spirit too?
Oh yes, if you so desire, however of course not as you have physical sex. But there can be a union of the spiritual bodies through the mind that gives rise to the same emotions and feelings of orgasm, yet again without all the physical elements.
That sounds like fun! So no fear of getting pregnant if you don’t want to.
No, nothing like that to worry about. You can’t get pregnant as you can in the physical anyway. However you can simulate pregnancy and all the feelings that go with it using your mind, if you want to ‘adopt’ a spirit baby from Earth going all the way to full term with it. Spirit sex, just like physical sex, can be a very addictive indulgence, and is as you might imagine, pursued by many mind spirits all of which causes further delay to their true spiritual growth.
I’d like to talk more about adopting Earth babies, but it will have to wait, I’ll put it on my list. You say ‘mind spirits’, are there other sorts of spirits?
By mind spirits I mean those spirits from Earth that persist in living according to their minds (and without the Divine Love in their souls), seeking to advance their minds and not their souls. These spirits being confined to live in the four mansion worlds provided specifically for them. The other three mansion worlds for spirits wishing to live true to their feelings (and with God’s Divine Love), and end their minds controls of themselves.
I want to also speak more about that Mary, but I’ll leave it too for later. So in the meantime, let’s go back to you and Jesus having sex because a lot of people believe you did, even having a child or possibly children.
I know James, but it’s not true. I will tell you categorically: JESUS AND I DID NOT HAVE SEX WHEN ON EARTH. WE BOTH DIED VIRGINS. And in fact we’ve only had it once in spirit to see what it was like, that being something we did upon our return from Paradise. And we did it so we could relate more closely to the spirits from Earth whom we’d be helping during our age.
Jesus and I are the Creator Pair of Nebadon, we can create, however this level of creation, when we desire to bring universal personalities into being (and these are not souls as in truth evolving souls that God only creates), happens only spiritually between us and in complete union with the Divine Minister. We are forbidden to create in the physical as are all universal Creator Pairs. And so for us to have had sex in the physical, it would have brought about an immediate conception, reflecting the perfect nature of our souls.
What about had you used contraception?
Too risky and it wouldn’t have worked James, the simple act, our intention to unite on the physical would have overridden all such conception prevention.
But wouldn’t you by having spirit sex also create something, bring someone into being on that level?
No, because we’d have to consciously desire to create that universal personality with the Divine Minister and Her agreement, we need Her ‘Spirit’ to initiate the ‘spark of life’. But in the physical different laws apply, and so had we had physical intercourse, new life would have resulted. And as you might imagine, a child of the Creator Pair would have many unwanted consequences for it and the whole of the universe. So it doesn’t happen.
Couldn’t you have had sex to see what it was like and God prevent you from getting pregnant?
That would have been too much of a personal indulgence, and there was simply no need for it.
Okay, so what about sex itself, do we need to do it as many people believe we do?
Sex is not required as a stimulus for soul growth. It is a necessary form of self-expression if one wants to procreate, however once one has evolved beyond that level of being, then there is simply no use or need for it. And so spirits, and it will be the same for people too, when they have grown in truth beyond the need for sex, then they will no longer feel inclined to have it. One does not need sex to maintain a happy and full intimate relationship, nor even to keep healthy. And in fact you are to learn that to maintain a happy and truly loving relationship one needs to be able to fully express oneself, all one feels, and mostly by speaking and showing your love for one another through your actions without the need of sexual embrace or sexual stimulation. You can be very affectionate without sex being involved, as you might know. And Jesus and I being of perfect mind and will when we were incarnated on Earth, never felt we needed to have sex, we simply didn’t have the urge or desire; and particularly as Jesus and I were not to have children.
You have read in The Urantia Book that Paradise Sons (such as Jesus), and the same applies to Paradise Daughters (such as myself) that the book doesn’t speak about, are forbidden to have children on their bestowal worlds, and nor do they have them in spirit. It would not be right for our genes to be mixed with those of humanity, for such influence from the genetic material alone, let alone influences on all other levels, would elevate the mortal soul too quickly, it not having the ability to ‘process’ its life experiences as required so as to give rise to its desired growth of truth.
So it would be like turbocharging an engine that’s not made to cope with such an added acceleration.
Engine and vehicle. The physical and spiritual, emotional and mental systems wouldn’t be able to cope.
So you mean that were you and Jesus to have had children, then those children being of Paradise origin could possibly unite with ordinary people giving rise to a mortal child with Paradise turbocharging.
What about you and Jesus having children or a child, and those children not breeding with ordinary mortals.
That could happen in theory, however it didn’t and wouldn’t happen, as in it’s not allowed. Because that then brings in massive complications as to the affect such a child or children would have on humanity and the rest of the universe on a spiritual level. Each local universe has, and only needs, one Creator Pair. As you understand, Jesus and I upon our deaths liberated our Spirits of Truth, these being the Spirits of Truth that are to serve all of Nebadon, not just you on, and spirits from, Earth. And so were we to have a physical child, then upon its death, so too would it liberate its Spirit of Truth, thereby causing vast confusion amongst our realm. It’s inconceivable as to how much damage this would do. It would put the whole of our local universe out of kilter by having the extra Spirit of Truth, so it’s something that can’t happen as it’s ramifications would go all the way to Paradise, thereby making the whole of Creation unsound - perfection on the Creator Pair level in the Universe of universes no longer existing.
I see, it would be that bad.
Yes. So our not having children is a very big thing to understand. It is enough for you to look at what has happened since Adam and Eve, Earth’s Material Pair that is meant to procreate and add their valuable genetic material to uplift all the races of mankind, went astray and defaulted, it affecting every part of your lives to a huge degree. So for a Creator Pair to have children and in this way cause such imperfection, everything would collapse into total chaos. And because the Mother and Father are too perfect for that, it won’t happen. It would mean the Creator Pair rebelled, and Jesus and I are just too perfect, too close to our Paradise Parents for that. We love Them too much, we’d couldn’t do it to Them, even if in Their great love for us, They allowed us to.
So rebellion is left for us lesser beings.
Yes, you could say that.
So is it wrong for us to have sex when we don’t want to have children?
Technically, yes it is. However as you’re all in a state of feeling-denial, not living true to yourselves, it’s to be expected that you want to do it because of your feeling so unloved, so unfulfilled in life, and so powerless. You want, and even in many cases, need, to do it, all so you feel better. But there is more to life than sex.
And so will we be punished by God for doing it?
No, God won’t punish you for doing it or doing anything you do. Not even the worst violations of Universal Law. You will only punish yourselves if you believe you warrant such punishment, it all having to do with how you were parented, with what beliefs you developed about what is right and wrong.
There are universal laws, and if you transgress them you are brought to account, however it’s done in such a way that you do it all to and for yourself. God doesn’t sit up there on His throne with all His angelic henchmen standing around waiting to blast you with a lightening bolt if you step over the line, it’s all to work for you, not against you, and it’s all done with love. However there is a lot to it all, and it will take a long time for humanity to come to understand how it all works. But you’ve got a long time to understand. I will tell you, humanity is to be around for a very long time, it’s not going to be snuffed out any time soon by your own hands or by some ‘act of God’ such a meteor coming suddenly out of space blasting Earth to pieces. All the same however, it will not be smooth sailing, but humanity is very important to Creation, you are all living vitally important and very significant experiences, and Earth will continue for a long time yet to provide you with all you need to do. Humanity of Earth is one humanity amongst many in Creation, however with a very unique story to tell. All humanities, as with all people, of course have their own unique stories, however you have a little more than most.