It evolved through the ages as people started to wonder about life after death and what would happen to them, the spirit, and what was it all for. You know James, all the usual things you naturally wonder about at some stage in your life.
From your understanding of The Urantia Book, before Mary’s and my coming, when people died, their spirit sort of went into limbo, they ‘remained asleep’, waiting for the next spiritual age to commence which mostly was a long time in coming. Then when the next age began all such ‘sleeping survivors’ awakened to begin their new spiritual lives in the mansion worlds. So unlike now when you die with everyone automatically almost immediately awakening in the mansion worlds, which has come about because of Mary’s and my coming, those long ago people might not have woken up for tens of thousands of years. So the people they had left behind didn’t have any direct contact with them, they sought to speak to them in spirit but got no reply, with only other spirits from previous ages wishing to communicate with them, but of whom they were mostly scared and suspicious of.
And then coupled with that, you had spirits who were not from Earth, members of the gang of Evil Ones who directly brought about humanity’s rebellion and fall from grace, communicating such nefarious ideas, notions and beliefs as reincarnation as ways to keep the masses under their control. For what more insidious belief than to tell everyone they are confined to the Earth forevermore, that they will keep coming back to it over and over again, with the carrot dangling at the end: that if you are good and work through all your wrongdoing, all your karma, then you’ll be able to stop the reincarnation process being one of the celebrated and all-powerful spirits, who supposedly is at-one with God.
It was yet another ploy, like all the religious beliefs, to keep people denying themselves, that being the truth of themselves, by denying their bad feelings. And so many people and mind spirits look to the belief as a way to make them feel better about themselves, instead of seeking the truth of their evilness and personality denial, allowing themselves to feel all their bad feelings and strive to uncover the truth of them.
And as you’ve discovered for yourself James, when one starts to heal ones childhood repression, then one knows that all that ails you, all your wrongdoing, all your evilness, your whole negative state, is ONLY a product of this life, of your relationship with your parents. However until such people who believe in such falsities choose to look to the truth of their feelings and want to stop being controlled by their mind, such beliefs will remain, all because they give one a simplistic way of denying oneself whilst deluding oneself that one is spiritually growing. But as I’ve said before, you can’t grow in truth with and through beliefs, that is all of the mind. You can ONLY grow in truth with and through your feelings, and not feelings that are being controlled by your wayward mind.
That’s right James. To do as Mary and I are saying, you are setting out to allow yourselves to feel as bad as you really do, that being, underneath the fantasies you have created deluding yourself that you feel good. You can’t feel truly good when you’re evil. Being evil makes you feel bad, because you’re not loving yourself. And so if you feel good when you’re evil, then something is seriously wrong inside you, which is what most people refuse to face and wake up to, which of course is completely understandable. And as no one has wanted to face the whole truth of themselves, so Mary and I have not revealed it to you. And whilst people want to persist in their fantasies of having multiple lives on Earth, then so be it, but really you’d have to wonder: would you want to have multiple lives of being evil? And if you do, why, because then you are saying you enjoy being evil, enjoy how the world and humanity is; and for you to say you are enjoying being of and being in all that’s against God and Creation, well... need I go on.
You mean we all should be put in the funny farm. But we are already in it! - isn’t that what you’re saying?
Yes, and doing all you can to keep yourselves well and truly inside the gates and confined to the grounds.
Marion and I read about a captive elephant in Africa, which had had a very hard time of it having been constantly confined to small enclosures, being rehabilitated back to the wild. It was taken to a place where it was hoped upon its release it would be able to fit in with the existing herds in the area and where there was an abundance of food for it. A special enclosure was built for it, with a high wall and open area no bigger than our house, yet I guess the size it was familiar with. And it was kept in this enclosure for a time whilst it became acclimatised to all the new sounds and smells of the surrounding area. The wall there so high that it couldn’t see over. Then when the big day arrived its door was removed for it to go, but it wouldn’t leave its home. And it then took a long time for it to understand that there was no longer a door there, that it was free to go; and very gradually it moved out, checked out around its home, then came back in. And after a long time it slowly was able to stay away from the enclosure and remain out in the bush. And eventually it linked up with a passing herd who took it on as one of their long lost people - that part I made up, as we’ve got to have those ‘Happy Endings’. But it did finally go off free. And we are that elephant.
Yes, keeping yourselves confined to your small belief and behavioural enclosures, and only now have Mary and I opened your door. Only now are you free to start to acclimatise yourselves to a new way.
And it occurred to me this morning, that really we should have been told about - had revealed to us, all you and Mary are saying about our feeling-healing before we were told about the Divine Love, but like everything for us, it’s all around the wrong way. I know you said this the other day, but it’s come up in me very strongly this morning. And along with that, like our elephant friend, we are confined to the enclosure of our negative state. But when we embrace all you said in the Padgett Messages, it’s like we’ve put one foot over the line into freedom on the outside. But it’s not until we embrace the doing of our healing, healing all our childhood repression, that we are fully stepping over that line with both feet, and on our way to complete freedom.
That’s right James. And as you say, it has all been given to you around the wrong way, or what might be called - out of sequence. And so having the Divine Love offered to you in your evilness has in many ways only complicated things more for you. But now with the truth of how to heal yourselves of your evilness, so you can start to put it all into perspective, as you James have wanted to do.
Jesus, what about the spirits in the mind worlds that believe in reincarnation, what do they do whilst they are waiting to be born back onto Earth?
They busy themselves by working out the details of their next life. They work through all the legacy from their ‘recent’ life, believing they are advancing their mind and spiritually growing and lessening their karmic burden; then they set about planning what stresses they should put themselves under in their next life so as to ‘burn off’ more karma. There are the Great Reincarnation Halls as they are called, in which countless numbers of mind spirits busy themselves working it all out for themselves. For they believe they are in control of it all, they work it out in spirit, then go unconscious when their allotted time comes for them to ‘descend’ - to reincarnate and start their new life. Then they leave all their essays and studies in their secret and private quarters to which they believe they’ll return, then to work through the success or failure of that life.
But they don’t reincarnate, so what happens to them?
Eventually they get bored, interested in something else, move on, find a new mind distraction. Then they set about trying to tell all those other spirits who still believe in it that’s all nonsense, but those spirits don’t listen to them, and so they shouldn’t, for everyone has to find out for themselves what their existence is all about.
And how do they reconcile that so many people say for example, that they were Mary Magdalene or yourself in a past life, or some other famous person. They can’t all be you or Mary surely.
They delude themselves into believing that there are multiple realities one is living all the time. And that really in a way, there is one Master or Great Soul that is humanity, with something like lots of ‘little’ or sub-souls living out all the possible realities. You remember early on in your spiritual exploration James - Seth Speaks, the Seth books that spoke about such multiple realities?
Yes, that in each moment, each intersection there is a ‘new me’ that’s heading off living that reality. So I am focused on this current reality that is making a right hand turn now, but there are other ‘mes’ who are at the same time making a left hand turn, not making any turn at all, going back the way I’ve come and every other possible angle possible. And were I able to focus in any of them, I could go off down that road of that consciousness - that sort of thing. And somehow my soul controls it all - or my mind.
Yes, I see you understood it well.
Back then, Bob (that’s the name I give my Indwelling Spirit) helped me have numerous experiences of such things, particularly when I was stoned. I loved having all those mind experiences, and l loved all my past and future life ones when I believed in reincarnation, but gee, now I can see how much I was only deluding myself that I was getting somewhere with it all.
All trying to make yourself feel better about yourself James.
Yes, I can see that now. I am grateful for those mind experiences because they have shown me what we’re - what I’m - capable of, so far as using our minds to go off into la-la land.
So these mind spirits in a way believe everyone is capable of being everyone else, so potentially everyone can and so does have a life at some point of being Mary and yourself, and... and I guess ME, and Joe Blogs, and everyone else. Oh god, what a terrible thought: that everyone would have a life as me - yuk! Well, I hope when they do, they feel better about it than I do.
It’s a grand way to pass the years in the mind mansion worlds James, for one does after all have to do something ‘constructive’, something to keep themselves busy - one does have a lot of time on ones hands.
Yes Jesus I see what you’re saying, as that is what mum and Gran used to say to me: mum; ‘Go and do something constructive, something useful, stop hanging around me’; and Gran; ‘James, it’s always good to be working on something constructive, it does no one any good to be idle.’ YUKKKKK!!!!! And so off I had to go and busy myself with my mind, making up little fantasy worlds for myself - gee Jesus, thank you for helping me see a bit more about myself. I can see the connection, and had I not come across the Padgett Messages, I’d have gone into the mind mansion worlds and busied myself with something constructive, so I’d be sitting there plotting and planning my next life. Hmm, now let me see... well I’d be a bloke again, that’s for sure, too much hard work being a woman... and well, as I never really did very well with women this time around, ah, yes, I know, a life as a rich and powerful man with a huge harem... yes, I can see that would create lots of bad karma, and then I can work that off in the life after that by being a nun... and then... Yes Jesus, I see what you mean, it would be endless, lots to busy myself with.
Well if you’re wanting to take over God’s role and work our your whole eternal existence for yourself, yes, you would have to put some serious time into it.
And so Jesus, conceivably, some mind spirits have been at it for years.
Tens of thousands of years James. I don’t know the longest time a spirit has spent indulging in it, but it’s many years.
But how can they, I mean... it’s too hard to even contemplate.
Time is of little meaning to them over there. They are too busy working out their next life and all it’s ramifications; and as they see there is eternity to do it all in, so what’s the hurry.
But doesn’t their soul wake them out of it before then... obviously not if what you say is right.
It’s right. There are some very ancient spirits still in the mind worlds doing such things. And yes, one day when their time comes their soul will wake them up and they will move on.
So I guess it’s just how life is, someone is to experience it. So someone will be able to claim that they believed in reincarnation the longest.
Yes. Such ancient spirits actually get more caught up in teaching, planning and helping other spirits understand and work out their future lives. There’s a lot of prestige to be had being a very old spirit in the mind worlds. And so they sort of, don’t ever actually get around to getting on mapping out and planning their own next life, getting all caught up with everyone else.
Well I can imagine that. And being busy and if you love doing it, and if the kudos was very appealing to your ego, then why would you want to move on, you’d have all you need to keep your bad feelings at bay.
That’s right James. So many famous artists, writers and composers, keep writing and composing, endlessly making up new masterpieces. Such spirits are not interested in the truth, in evolving their soul to Paradise. They are all too caught up in their own self-importance, just as they were when on Earth, just as most people are. And it’s not until you decide to break all of that falseness down, break your minds control over yourself, and face the truth of your bad feelings, that you do take the first step over the line, and can indeed, keep taking them.
And so on the one hand you’ve got very ancient spirits in the mind worlds busy with all their mind stuff, and then other the hand, you’ve got spirits who’ve done their healing and embraced the Divine Love and have ascended in truth well beyond the mansion worlds and well into the Celestial spheres... and...
And yes, some have actually left Nebadon now. The gate has recently been opened, and many spirits from Earth are now well on their way to Paradise, having said goodbye to Mary and I and their home universe.
What’s it like for you both to see them go?
We feel very good, we feel very satisfied because it’s what Nebadon currently exists for: the ascension of such truth-loving souls from the material planets. And now as spirits of humanity from Earth can join with others from other physical worlds all moving on deeper into Creation toward Paradise it is the fulfilment of what Mary and I are all about. We want to see you all grow and leave our universe. And for those spirits from Earth to have healed their evilness is an added delight for us. We are very happy and pleased for them all, wishing them all the best on their eternal careers.
Do you feel sad with them going, the ones you’ve got close to?
No, only happy, we don’t need their love or relationship. We feel happier and happier the more that go, and when all of humanity finally leave our shores, we’ll feel ecstatic, with a great sense of satisfaction and ‘job well done’.
And what you say, the two extremes from the mind spirits locked within their self-delusion to those truth-liberated souls on their way to Paradise, is something for the universal records.
It’s all mind boggling.
And nothing for you to concern yourself with James, you know what you have to do, and you can’t use your mind to move it along any faster - or slower for that matter, as your feelings are now well and truly in control. And so all you can do is keep struggling on trying to express and uncover the truth of your bad feelings.
Yeah, I know. And I’ll get back to it, time to talk with Marion again. Thank you again Jesus for all you said. I’ll speak to you soon. I can feel other topics pressing within me for us to talk and write about.
I’ll be here James.