No James. Mary and I were true, completely true to ourselves, to nature, and to God. We didn’t transgress the natural or divine laws of Creation. We were conceived and born naturally, there was no immaculate conception, and we grew up as normal adults of our sex and with normal and natural sexual orientation. Only when you are living untrue, that being living against yourself, might you express your sexuality in the terms of homosexuality. But I want to make it perfectly clear, that then doesn’t mean that all gay men and women are the only untrue people on Earth - the only ‘bad’ ones. I want you to understand, that also ALL heterosexual people on Earth are living just as untrue to themselves and against themselves as those people who are gay. As far as you are all concerned, living in your anti truth and anti self states of mind and will that all do, means NO ONE is living true, and so no one is truly perfect as Mary and I were. This being what all of humanity has to wake up to and fully accept about itself. You are ALL WRONG in how you are, merely trying to determine within your wrongness, that which is right and wrong. So to label someone as being gay as being wrong or bad, is not right for you are all wrong and bad in the light of how you conduct yourselves in what can be called your negative states, all of this owing to the state of Universal Rebellion and Planetary Default you live under.
I want to talk more about that later too - so many things to talk to about! - but if you don’t mind Jesus, I’ll come back to sex.
Not at all James. A subject no doubt many people are interested in. As Mary said, you lead the way James, and ask us anything you like.
I’m still wanting to talk more about soulmates, but now we’ve got onto sex... however all my own doing, I do admit. So I’ll stick with sex for the moment, otherwise we move on too fast and I forget what I want to ask you. My list as it is keeps growing bigger every day.
So Jesus, did you have girlfriends?
I loved being with all men and women, I found them fascinating, and needed all my relationships with people to help me understand myself. But I had no feelings of taking any relationship with a woman to the next level so to speak. I thought about it occasionally, but it was never anything I felt anything for. I always had too many other things to think about, and I knew early on, before the Mother told me of Mary, that my life being different to all other people was not going to include regular marriage, family, work and so on.
Plenty of women, so it seems according to The Urantia Book, would have loved to have been closer to you.
Yes, and I had some very good and even deep relationships with a few women. I broke with the mores of my culture and enjoyed women as equals and people who had a lot to give and offer me; they helped me to understand myself and understand the work I was to do. They helped me understand that there was more than just the ‘man’s way’ and that the man’s way was not true. They helped me personalise even more, and especially more of my feelings. And as it turned out, something not generally understood, it was women who grasped all I was saying much more thoroughly, and with far greater enthusiasm and more intuitively, than men . So far as trying to impart truth, women were much more easier to be with than men, all of whom had been so heavily indoctrinated by their fathers and religious teachers. Women were a breath of fresh air at times, far more relaxing to be with, and far more accepting of me and all I said. And they grasped and understood it all with their feelings not requiring their mind to do battle with all they believed they knew to be right, as the men struggled with.
Did you kiss any of your girl friends?
Not in a passionate way. In the way of greeting and friendship, and as a show of affection, yes.
And what about with Mary, did you express your deeper feelings for her publicly.
To a limited extent. We did often kiss and were somewhat affectionate with each other in public, however it was very difficult. Mary had the ability, being who she really was, to not only easily grasp all I spoke about, but to challenge me on it, to make me think more deeply about such things, and to teach and reveal her truths and understandings of things, just as I was revealing and teaching mine. However as she couldn’t be all she is, she had to remain continually suppressed, there was a certain strain and tension always present in our being together with other people. Really had I devoted all my time to being with Mary, as we both longed to do with each other, then we’d not have imparted any of the truths we came to give to humanity. And as we couldn’t be as equals together with other people, both teaching and revealing ourselves to the world, then we had to make sure the men’s noses didn’t get put out of joint. The men were mostly very jealous of my time with women, and particularly with Mary, and highly possessive of me. I was a man, and men were superior to the likes of women, women were only good for... you know the usual things, so I wasn’t meant to, in their minds, spend what you might call, ‘quality’ time with women, and especially ‘wasting my time trying to teach them the same truths I was teaching the men.’ I had far more emotional demands placed on me by the men than I cared to have, their squabbling taking up more of my time than I would have liked. However it was all part of my experience, I wasn’t to have the perfect life experience on the world of my physical incarnation - but it was trying at times.
Did you and Mary sleep together, as in share the same tent?
Yes, occasionally we did, but not as often as we’d have liked to. And we had a lot of walks alone away from everyone, we’d ask not to be disturbed.
So there was the understanding that Mary was special to you?
Oh yes, unmistakably. It wasn’t in a conventional sense, yet nothing I did was conventional. Everything I did went against the Jewish customs.
And what about your parents, Mary and Joseph, did they try to get you to have a more intimate relationship with a woman before you met Mary?
Yes, my mother Mary of course did her best. And my father spoke to me about what was considered the right and proper thing to do. However they soon gave up about such things as they both also knew that I always did as I felt was best and not something because someone else said I should do it, or it was tradition or the custom, it being - ‘just what you did.’ I wasn’t into pleasing other people at the expense of displeasing myself. I lived true to myself and my feelings all the time, I wasn’t born into, and so wasn’t of, the wrongness, that I soon understood every else was.
And so where have the people who say you and Mary had a child, and Mary took that child after your death to France to live, got their information from? How do they come up with such ideas?
Either with their imagination, or under the influences of the mind spirits.
And how do the mind spirits come up with it?
With their imaginations.
But aren’t there records of your life over there in the mansion worlds?
No there aren’t, not in the mind mansion worlds.
Yes, just as I was not to leave any written material behind on Earth, so neither was I or Mary to leave any records in the mind mansion worlds, so no such angelic records exist there for such spirits to look at. And so they have been free to speculate to their hearts content about Mary’s and my life, with many such speculations being passed onto willing recipients on Earth.
You see James, Mary and I were to come to Earth, which we did. We had an effect on humanity. And then we were to leave you to do whatever you wished with that effect, without interfering or continuing to have an influence from spirit. We came, we did, we left. The rest has been up to you. And you can see what you’ve been able to achieve, with many people even being very proud of their truth-denting accomplishments. And now it’s time for us to come back for a moment, first myself with Mr Padgett, and now together with Mary with you. And we’ll have something of another effect on humanity only to a far lesser extent this time. But one in which people will be able to gain some idea as to the direction they might like to go, should they be wanting to live true, to live as Mary and I live.
Pardon me Jesus, but I’m going to chop you off before you move on further. Mary, were you attracted to other men before you met Jesus? And did you entertain thoughts about marriage and family?
I did, when I was about twelve years old. But by the time I was fifteen, all such notions had gone. I knew I was not like my sisters and other girls and women; I knew I was not like my mother in so many ways. My parents struggled to understand, my mother particularly, however my father was far more open to my being a little ‘unusual in my attitudes’ supporting me as I matured in all I wanted to do. I was attracted to certain men and had some male friends, however it was always difficult because women had to fit into their place and role, all of which I wanted to be free of. It was a relief when I met Jesus, and once I did, never thought ever again about such things - I’ve never been attracted to another man since.
So your parents didn’t apply too much pressure for you to conform?
No, the parents Jesus and I had were chosen specifically by the Mother and Father so as to apply as minimal pressure as possible. To interfere as little as possible and in our natural self-expression.
Mary and Jesus, I’m going to have a break now.
Very well James, speak to you soon.
Thank you to you both.