James, I will talk with you about it - Jesus.
Jesus, you say we’re all evil, as we’re all in our negative feeling-denying states of mind and will, so how does that actually relate to our daily lives?
When you impose your will on another, be it a person or another creature - any part of nature, then you are being evil. When you are living untrue to yourself, then you’re sinful, which is really the same as being evil to yourself - treating yourself evilly by disrespecting your own natural and true will, by imposing, as it were, a ‘false’ or untrue will over your true will, which you were made to do by your parents leading you to develop your false and untrue self over the top of your now hidden true and real self.
Okay, so what about cutting down a tree, is that being evil?
So from what you’re saying, really there is no point in our trying work out what is a sinful or evil act whilst we’re in our negative states because ALL we do in that state is wrong.
That’s right James, that’s what Mary and I want you to understand. But we want you to work it out for yourselves, to come to such truth through your own lives as you seek to heal yourselves.
Okay, and so when we’re healed and of a positive mind and will, then all we do will be right, true and good. And so really we have no idea as to whether or not in that state we’d want to ever cut a tree down or not, because we’re a million miles from that state of truth perfection.
That’s right. You might find you feel you do, you might find you feel you don’t. You might find one day you do, but then things change and the next day, or even in the next instance, you don’t; but as your will would all be expressed in harmony with nature’s will and so the Will of God, then you’d feel good about your actions and not bad. And you’d know the tree didn’t feel bad either, it feeling good being able to be of service to, to help you in your experience with it to further your growth of truth. But in your negative states, all you do should actually make you feel bad, because it’s being done against nature and against God’s Will and against yourselves. But as mostly you don’t feel bad or not too bad - as you don’t allow yourselves to feel bad, having removed yourselves so far from your true feelings, you are happy you’ve been able to remove the tree for all the reasons you wanted to. But that is really a false happiness resulting from false power you’ve gained through your tree-felling actions, all being done to help you cover up your repressed underlying bad feelings.
So by what you’re saying, in our negative states we should actually be feeling bad in every moment with every breath we take all because we’re untrue and bad.
Yes. Just as you and Marion are feeling more true to the further you progress in your healing. Feeling bad in all your actions, in all the ways you are, by being able to declare - because you feel the truth of it through your feelings - just how evil you are. Because you have to be able to get to the truth of how being evil, and how living evilly, does really make you feel. You have to be able to feel in each and every one of your actions what you actually do truly feel, and so when you are living against yourself, how this really is making you feel - which is bad.
So the deeper we go into our childhood repression and the more we become true to our evil state, that being seeing and feeling the truth of it, the more we’ll actually feel bad and not good as one might expect to feel as one heals oneself.
You’ll feel good on a deeper level because you are progressing in truth and healing yourself; but yes, you’ll also feel worse in other respects because you are continuously bringing to light more of how bad you are; how badly you are treating yourself; how badly you were treated, and so how badly you treat nature and each other.
So it really is a big deal, being evil and our healing it.
It is James, far bigger than anyone realises. It’s not just a matter of adhering to the ten commandments and then you are good, and all those people who don’t are sinful evil-ones. That is all just part of the ploy to make you feel more power, to have power over someone else, to say: I am good; they are bad, I believe in the Bible; they who don’t are all sinners, it’s all to keep you bound up in your negative state. Anything that gives you that feeling of having power over another is helping you stay trapped in your evilness. It all being a reflection and result of how you were parented. You were all made to obey, so in being punished when you are bad, you are bad, you are not good, it all being power-plays by your controllers, all seeking their will over you.
So even like keeping my fish in a tank when I used to, having power them and so being evil.
Yes, and you’ve felt all the pain you actually experienced by subjecting such fish to your will; only when you had them, you felt good as they gave you false feelings of power, you weren’t the poor pathetic one who had nothing, a complete failure in life, you were able to keep lovely little tropical fish in a tank - you were successful at something. You were their god - you were the dominator and ruler of their little world; and all of that is you pretending you are better than God, and so it’s all wrong.
So we’ve got to move away from saying the murderer is the evil bad one, whereas because I don’t murder I’m the good loving one.
Yes, because you’re all the same on the will level of feeling denial, the murderers way being what resulted from his upbringing, as is your so-called ‘good way’ the result of your upbringing. It has nothing intrinsically to do with your soul; as in, you’re naturally a good person and the murderer is naturally a bad person so there’s no hope for him. You are just as evil as the murderer, only you don’t go around killing people. But you in your own ‘nice’ and ‘caring’ and ‘loving’ and ‘tolerant’ ways, you are just as power-hungry and controlling as the murderer, and just as capable of denying yourself and other creatures and people their true and full self-expression. Look at how much control you and Marion have had to work through, how powerless you feel because of how you were parented and how much you’ve tried to regain that lost power, and in all the little things in your relationship together. You are not truly loving and treating each other with complete respect, you’re both using each other in many ways, even though you don’t hit each other or take your frustrations out on other people, children or nature. But still in every interaction you have with someone you are that untrue person trying to maintain what power you have and establish yet more power, so there are still undercurrents of control, all of which are coming to light for you both as you move along in your healing.
It’s time for humanity to move out of its limiting ways of seeing itself. The religions have had too much control over people for too long and now it’s only becoming negative to the negative, if I can put it like that. So change has to occur so people can break away from believing such things are good for them and are in their best interests to adhere to.
So really we don’t have a clue what life is about.
No, you don’t. And that’s where the Celestials come in as they will be more than willing to help you understand about such things.
So we’re really pretty basic, or stupid, ignorant - pathetic.
Yes, very much so. And yet you pat yourselves on your backs as to how sophisticated you are, when the native peoples of your world and nature itself have a better idea about what life is for and all about. In your anti life, anti truth states as you ‘progress’ you are actually going further away from the truth, further away from yourself, becoming more untrue. So you have to keep telling yourselves that you’re great, above it all, all that lower animal stuff, that you know what is right. That you are superior ones.
Yeah, I feel all those things, and more so the more I do my healing. I can’t believe how inane our lives our, and how much we think they are so meaningful and that we’re getting somewhere with them. And the so-called spiritual beliefs people want to hold on to, which I too wanted to before I began my healing. They are all so nothing, so meaningless, doing nothing positive for anyone, let alone the believer. And the Christian’s that comment on my stuff, I mean, what can you say, I just feel sorry for them. Having to keep toeing the line with all that Bible stuff, when it’s so obvious from their comments they are suffering terribly, all so caught up in their minds, unable to have a free thought away from it. It certainly can be all-consuming.
It’s how most of them were parented, it’s what gives them their false feelings of power. They believe they are someone important by knowing and believing and living such untruth. Only it’s all only serving to move them further away from themselves.
I can hardly understand what they are saying, it’s like a different language, and their arguments are so pointless. But I can’t criticise and judge them because in my way I’m the same, I just don’t have all the Bible stuff stuffed in me as well. Marion can’t make any sense out of what I say, and neither can I half the time. I feel very fucked, meaningless and pointless, and I know that had I grown up in a heavily dominated Christian family, I’d be banging on about the same stuff they do. It feels good to slowly lessen ones judgement of others, accepting that we’re all fucked, just different versions of it. And no one is better than another, because had I had their upbringing, I’d be as they are, just as had they had mine, they’d be as I am.
So Jesus, in a way, what you are presenting us with is a whole new way of seeing ourselves and everything, so we can virtually scrap all we know and believe, looking instead to our feelings to show us the true way, the truth; and I guess, a whole new way of life too.
That’s right James, as that’s what will happen to you through your healing. It’s a huge thing, and not to be taken lightly. All Mary and I are talking about is not just a few more beliefs or a little more information you can add to your minds and that will make you happy and more successful in your life. We’re saying that through your healing process you will become reborn, or born anew, which means, you will basically cease to be all that you are now, becoming a whole new you.
So it’s fair that we don’t understand it all - all that you and Mary are telling us.
Of course James, it would be wrong of us to expect you to. It’s going to take humanity thousands of years to comprehend what we’re saying, and to be able to live and know it all as truth for themselves. By Mary’s and my coming we are ending the old and starting the new, only it’s taken these two thousand years to fully reveal all we were meant to reveal when we were in flesh, so the whole revelation as has been somewhat delayed. But still humanity is only now attaining the levels of self-denial and psychological development within it to begin to understand just what its condition is, what your negative state actually consists of, and how you can heal yourselves of it. It’s setting out into the new frontier, it’s all unknown, undiscovered, and Mary and I are giving you something of a map and just pointing you in a certain direction - it all being only the tip of the ice-burg. But as to how you live it, as to how the individual person strives to heal themselves of their evilness...
Yeah, I see what you mean.
You and Marion are completely bind in it, and there is no one else other than us spirits who you can talk to about it. You have only your feelings to guide you, which is no small thing when all you’ve been brought up to do is deny them. So there is a lot to it, and it’s going to take many many years for people to gain some sort of understanding and appreciation of it, let alone for society to change to reflect living seeking the truth, living to be true. So in the meantime, those people who will give it a go will be on their own, they too will be flying blind with only their feelings to guide them. True pioneers of the soul. And to get to that point, to want to give it a real go and devote your whole life to it; to fully commit to becoming true to yourself through your feeling acceptance, means you’ve basically it had it with ‘normal’ life, or it’s had it with you, in that you can’t make a go of it and so have no other alternative than to heal yourselves, as what happened with you and Marion.
It’s been pretty amazing to see how it’s all conspired for us to not be able to make a go of normal life, how it was for us through our forming years, and how those years set us up for our failure adult lives.
Yes it has, it has for us too. For as we’ve told you, to see it all in the flesh through you and Marion, it’s been very interesting for us all. And it is very different to how one does ones healing in spirit in the mansion worlds. But the beauty of it is having your physical body which if you willingly submit to your bad feelings will very quickly start to show you where you’re going wrong; and as you’ve both experienced, it just slows you down as it ceases to work well enough for you to keep up the pretence and show of having some power and control in your life. In spirit, it’s far more of a mental exercise doing ones healing, one feelings being far more closer to and a part of the thinking mind. There isn’t the third element the physical body that needs to be taken into account, that expresses all your self-denial adding another whole dimension to your feeling bad and bad feelings.
Hmm... so Jesus, coming back to our being evil, it’s so hard to get my mind around the fact that all I am is evil. That every thought, behaviour, belief, it’s like every cell in my body is wrong, it’s all existing for the wrong reasons, all focused in the wrong direction, that being against my soul.
Yes James, that’s what it feels like to you so we observe. All so you can gain a full appreciation of just what being evil feels like, with the added feelings of the physical body. There is no escape from it as you are broken down out of your falseness.
When I look back at the meditation groups I used to hold longing for the Divine Love, I had no idea what really was involved with healing oneself.
No, but it all helped you to get closer to your wrong state of mind and will. It all helped prepare you to do your healing.
It all seems now like some dim dark memory. And yet I don’t feel like I’ve stepped out into the light yet. I still feel dim and dark.
You can’t feel any other way James until you’ve healed yourself of all your darkness. You have been as you say, very dim and dark.
Well, thank you again Jesus, it’s always so enlightening speaking with you and Mary. I will recede back into my dimness and speak to you soon.
Speak to you soon James.