Certainly James. What specifically are you wanting to know?
I want to confirm again that people can long for and receive it, and it does nothing to help them heal their negative states, unlike what is said in the Padgett Messages.
Yes that’s right. The Divine Love is your connection, if you will, between the Soul that is your Heavenly Parents, and your own soul.
Sorry to but in, but you saying that just made me think, so really for a soul to completely express itself, it will need both its halves to be fully healed and longing for the Divine Love.
Yes that’s right, all helping to ‘tie’ the soul-pair closer together, for you both are transforming your soul at the same rate, as it’s the same soul you share, so both have to be equally dedicated to living true to yourselves and longing for and receiving the Divine Love.
Okay, I understand that and it makes sense of course, so getting back to what you were saying concerning the Divine Love and the healing of our negative state-
Okay, so that about sums it up, but it’s a mouthful. So if you don’t mind I’ll break it down into all the bits.
Not at all James, please do what you feel you want to do.
So irrespective of how much love we might receive and feel from and for our parents, whilst we’re forming our mind and will circuits and up until around six years old when our Indwelling Spirit arrives, we’re still doing it all in our negative state.
Yes, it all having been planned by God and being orchestrated by your soul, it all being reflective of your relationships with your parents, and so also with God. As you relate to your parents so too will you relate to God. If your relationship with your parents is based on untruth, even though by using your mind you pretend it is true, so too will your relationship with God be untrue. And as you’re all of a negative mind and will state, so you’re all untrue to yourselves, because your parents relationships with you were untrue, irrespective of how loving they might have been; and so your relationship with God will also be untrue, irrespective of how much you might love God and feel loved by God. All that so-called love being mind generated feelings based on your negative beliefs, and so false, and so all needing to be seen for what it really is as you will do through your healing.
So do we all become of the negative to the same degree to begin with, only some people seeming to have a lesser or more painful experience of it depending on how much ‘love’ and ‘care’ within our forming years we get from our parents.
Yes. It might be difficult to understand, but that’s right. You all have to start off on the same level, as at your conception, and then how you are when your Indwelling Spirit arrives, when your mind and feeling circuits are fully established, all that you need to be able to grow in truth with, is still that same level. So your forming years are just the first stage of your manifestation of your negative state, to get you up and running so to speak.
And you all start off at conception and at the time of your Indwelling Spirits arrival at the same level of anti truth, the same degree of negative mind and will condition. Only as you say, the outer show of that state or condition is differently shown and lived by everyone. So within your negative forming, if you are loved and treated with more care, so you will be more loving treating yourself with more care and love, but still one has to remember, it’s all within your negative state.
Okay, so we all start of with the same bottom line, but on that line we all express our negative states within different extremes. There being the monster type people seemingly of no love or respect for another wanting to hurt and be as cruel and unloving as they can; to those people who want to care for and love all creatures and everyone, never dreaming of hurting or being cruel. But still all of us, from what might be called the best to the worst have to still do the same amount of healing, in that we all have to ascend the seven mansion worlds healing ourselves of our negative state.
Yes. You are all to end up as Celestials in your true and positive state of mind and will, having healed yourselves of your negative states thereby all being able to relate to the same level of truth, as you’ll all be living the same truths, so all being able to relate to each other on that level of truth. But as you say, all coming to that Celestial level from the same starting point of anti truth, but in manifesting or displaying, and so living, it differently. No one is worse or better than the other - you’re all equal children of God. The most so-called loving is the same in regards to the bottom line as you say as the most so-called evil person, however of course ones healing of ones negative state, as in the course or route it will take, will be different according to ones upbringing. So it is wrong to judge another as being worse or more lowly just because it’s easy to label them the evil one. And you all need sympathy, and through your healing you’ll see that the most ‘evil’ person will need just as much sympathy as the most ‘good’, because you are all suffering.
But still it’s going to be much harder I would imagine for the monster person to have to deal with all the pain and suffering they have caused than the good person.
It doesn’t matter about that James, it’s all an individual thing. From the outside it might appear that way, but on the inside, as to what feelings one feels and the extent of them, everyone will feel all they need to feel so as to give rise to the necessary truths about themselves and their evilness they are to see. And it’s only the truth that’s important. It becomes immaterial as to how much pain one might or might not experience through ones healing, there’s nothing to be gained by comparing it with another, with only the evolution of ones truth being what’s important. And the time one experiences ones pain, its duration and intensity, is personal, it’s for you to have and experience, having nothing to do with another. It’s your pain, and in the end you will even cherish it as you will know just how much truth it’s given rise to. And you will love the truth that comes up within you, it making you feel very comforted, special - in the right way, happy and loved, yours to treasure forevermore.
So concerning the Divine Love, it doesn’t help us to heal ourselves of our negative state?
No, not directly. It’s only about transforming your soul, and so your relationship with the Mother and Father. They have put you in a negative mind condition to begin your life in Creation, and They want you to live that fully and then to heal yourself of it. They are not going to stop you doing what you want to do within it, although there are well-defined parameters and guidelines for everyone to adhere to within their evilness, but basically you can say God won’t interfere with you. And then your Mother and Father want you to heal yourself of your evilness, because They want you to wake up and grow up into feeling and so deciding for yourself as to whether or not you want to remain evil or stop being it. They want you to make up your own mind, to have the full experience of it, as it’s very important, because we all have to choose at some point whether we do want to be with God or not, so whether we do want to be with and of love - natural or Divine - or not. And part of your problem is that all you know love to be you think is right and true and what love is, but what Mary and I are trying to help you see, is that perhaps it’s not as it seems, and that in fact it’s all only love within an anti-love state, so what really is that love.
Okay... So the Mother and Father want us to do it all for ourselves, They aren’t going to come along and say you’ve had enough of that, so I’ll stop it for you; or, because you’re wanting to be with Us by partaking of Our Love, we’ll remove your sins and errors, we’ll take all that badness in you away.
No, They are not, you have to do all of that for yourself - at least decide if you want to or not, and decide in every step in your healing. They do your actual healing for you when you’ve uncovered the truth through your feelings, however like a truly loving parent they don’t and won’t interfere with your own growth. Unlike how you’ve all been parented, your parents thinking and so making you be as they wanted you to be, stopping your natural grow and ability to work things out for yourselves - to work out the truth through your natural feelings.
So They are providing it all for us, the environment and all the experiences we need, and allowing us to be the children we are, free to explore and express ourselves, and supposedly all through our feelings, with our feelings leading us.
Yes. If you look to your feelings then you will be taken along able to work everything out for yourself. The experiences given to you by God through your soul all being exactly what you need to uncover the truth every step of the way - and to do it all yourself, without needing anyone else to step in and take over telling you what to do, when to do it, and how to be.
So then there is really no way that God is going to come along and heal us just because we’ve started to long to Them for Their Divine Love.
No. Indirectly with your focus on wanting to transform your soul it will all help you in your relationship with Them and yourself, and of course you can and are to look to Them to help show you the truth They want you to see. But so far as doing the actual hard hands-on work of accepting and expressing and seeking the truth of your feelings, that’s all up to you. And isn’t your life James so much richer for the experience of your hard slog through your feelings.
Ask me that tomorrow Jesus, I’ve got a bad headache today and I’m not relishing the hard slog. But yes, it is, I mean I can’t begin to say how incredible it’s all been for Marion and I, working our way through out stuff and changing all the time. Coming out of the confusion of not knowing anything, to seeing what it’s all really about. If God said to me when I first started out I will take all your pain away if you want, I would have of course said yes, please, and as quickly as you can, but now looking back wiser to what growing in truth is all about, no, I wouldn’t want the Mother and Father to just take it all away... possibly some of it maybe... but not all of it.
None of it James, as in the end you’ll be grateful for every pain you’ve had and all it’s helped you to see about yourself. For if nothing else, it’s all made it very real for you, having to deal with every pain so intimately. And the pain doesn’t remain, eventually it will all go.
Yes, that’s for sure, it has. I can’t argue with that. Still, I’m not as yet at the point of being happy for having so much pain, and I doubt I will until I no longer have any, should that ever happen.
Which is understandable James, for you’re not meant to like the pain when you are feeling it, only the truth it’s helping you to see.
And that is the good thing about it, it does finally go when the truth comes to light. I won’t have to always be in pain.
So Jesus, thank you for going over that about the Divine Love once again.
It’s my pleasure James, and as you see, every time we do, a little more about comes to light.
Yes, it sure does!
And so Jesus, when we’re with our soulmate and both longing for the Divine Love, then we’ll be growing in truth in harmony together, our soul ensuring all of that.
Yes. Your soul is always orchestrating each part of itself as in each distinct personality, whether you are actually together or not.
That’s quite amazing isn’t it. I’ve not thought about it like that before, that our soul is seeing to two peoples lives, it’s dealing with us both at once whereas we’re only ever concerned with ourselves and as if it’s only our soul.
The soul is the most amazing part of us James. Ourselves, as in our personalities, is amazing enough, but our soul and the fact that it’s orchestrating all that we are, our every moment, is very amazing. And it only gets more amazing the further you progress. Once you are highly spiritualised and more of your personal focus is actually on yourself and your soul, then you start to uncover even greater depths to it and so yourself than you thought were possible. And it’s ongoing, never ending, always is there more of you to know about yourself.
So Jesus, am I right that we still retain our natural love, it slowly being ‘taken over’ by the light of our increasingly divine soul, through our morontial existence with you and Mary in Nebadon; and then when we become a fully fledged spirit as The Urantia Book talks about - when we leave your local universe, then we will be all divine.
Yes James, that’s right, that is what constitutes a fully-fledged ascending mortal spirit. That you have transformed all of your soul into being divine, and so the overshadowing of your natural love being complete. This coming about and in fact allowing you to leave Nebadon, you can’t move out into the greater universe until your transformation is complete.
And so from then on to Paradise we are increasing our divinity.
So we start of on Earth fucked. Then, whilst of flesh or any time in the mansion worlds do our healing, taking us to the Celestial level of truth. Then for the rest of our Celestial growth through Nebadon we are completing our Divine Love soul transformation.
Jesus, I’m going to leave it there for the moment, Marion’s about to come back to the car. I’ll speak to you later. Thank you.
Until then James...