Yes James, I have wanted you to write what I want to say, as it completes the revelation Jesus and I want to give to you.
Okay, so of course there is to be a higher Son and Daughter coming to our world so as to orchestrate the crossing of the spiritual ages, this being prophesied by just about every religion from what I can understand for the End Times; but as usual, with no one really understanding about it.
That’s right. As you understand from reading The Urantia Book, there are higher spirits that come to the material worlds to ensure the changing of the age goes as it should go. And this time in humanity’s evolution is no different.
I’m sorry Mary if I feel rather groggy, but I feel very strange today, very tired, my lower back is bad, and I feel more fucked than usual lately.
It’s all right James, as long as you want to write, then we will, your state doesn’t affect our writing together. But if you find it too difficult and would rather do it another day, just say so.
I will Mary, thank you, but as for now, I feel like struggling on.
So all men and women are really striving, unbeknownst to us, to grow in truth through our feelings, and all the way up and in through Creation to Paradise, this being the first leg of eternal journey, as The Urantia Book points out.
Yes, you are soul-pairs of ascending order, and when you come to live true to the type of creation you are, that being achieved when you’ve healed yourselves, then you will feel all happiness and love.
It does make sense. If we’re not fully honouring ourselves so living untrue, then we’re stuffed.
Yes you are, well and truly and far more so than anyone currently appreciates. You are all going rapidly backwards as it were, against yourselves, whilst you all believe you are going forwards.
Okay, and because we’re so blind to our condition, then we need help, that being, outside help that is true and aware of our state and not of it, to shed light on it for us.
Yes. And more than that. You need that, and also for this help to come and become part of it, to be just as humanity is, so they too will know what you are suffering from first hand experience, and then with their greater understanding, awareness and insight, will be able to shed light on how you might go about extracting or healing yourself of your negative state. And this is where the descending orders of spirits come in.
Now The Urantia Book tells you there are two categories or levels of descending Sons (and Daughters): those heralding from Paradise, that being, of Paradise creation; and those native to and created within the local universe. I won’t go into all the orders of these Sons and Daughters as you and can read about them in The Urantia Book, but only talk about the Two Paradise descending orders relevant to our discussion James.
Okay, and so you mean, the Creator Pairs and Avonal Pairs?
But first Mary, because The Urantia Book only speaks about the masculine, the Son, would you please confirm that there is indeed a Son and Daughter, and it’s not just something I’ve made up because it all sounds nice having both.
You’ve not made it up James. Jesus and I are one such pair. The Creator Pair of Nebadon. Your feelings have led you to uncover such truth for yourself, and because of this, this being achieved through and as a consequence of your soul-healing, Jesus and I have been able to come and confirm it for you. However, as with all we write together, you can only take my word for it; and as you can’t tell whether I am who I say I am, so you can only go on what your feelings tell you and with an amount of faith in those feelings based on the truth you uncover within yourself. However as you grow in truth, all will be revealed to you through yourself, and if it confirms all Jesus and I say through you, then so be it, you will undoubtedly live it as your truth, and if it doesn’t, then you will live whatever that is you are led to live.
I understand Mary, and I’m taking this on good faith, and that it’s all just for me, and it’s all my stuff, and if readers want to believe it that’s up to them; and if they do their healing and come up with the same truth, great, and if not, well surely somewhere along the line the truth will be revealed for them. Just as if it’s all wrong for me too, then somewhere along my line I too with reveal the true truth for myself. And if I have to give up all my stuff as I am shown and led to feel it’s not right, then I assure you and the reader I will be the first to do so. However, so far, the further I go in my healing, and even though I feel still like shit a lot, I am overall feeling so much better and happier within myself and in my ability to express myself, so I feel I’m going on the right track. And the more all you say Mary I understand myself, it all making even more sense every day. So let’s continue, I feel good about it all, and so far as I’m concerned, it is the only thing that does make any sense. And the more I read all the other stuff on the Internet, the more nonsensical I feel it is.
So, okay Mary, there are soul-pairs all the way to Paradise so far as spirits who are seeking and growing in truth are concerned, and we are created in the image of the First Soul-Pair, our Mother and Father.
Yes James, that’s correct. And so it was that Jesus and I fully bestowed ourselves on Earth all those years ago; we, Nebadon's sole Creator Pair, submitted to the incarnation bestowal process (not to be confused with all that’s attributed to the erroneous belief of reincarnation) to become a woman and man on Earth. However a perfect pair, unlike humanity who is bound up in its imperfection. As we’ve told you, we didn’t take on the evilness that humanity is, we remained wholly true and perfect. And that our soul being too close to and too much of Paradise, was too perfect to become imperfect. So we came to you for various reasons which we’ve talked about, with the result being our terminating the Rebellion and showing the whole of our universe what such Paradise Perfection is like being lived in flesh. Our lives were all concerned with and about our universe, not just with Urantia, it wasn’t about one world, but many. We were and still are the Living Truth, that being, the Truth Made Living, in Nebadon, to which all truth-loving and truth-aspiring souls in our universe can strive to be like. So if you choose to follow Jesus and I, what that really means is you are setting out with the desire to be as we are, true and perfect in your expression of truth. And because we are ‘The Way’, you will need to follow us if you want to ascend to Paradise and there meet personally with your Heavenly Mother and Father; there to know that They too are real personalities and not just some fantasy Being that Jesus and I have made up.
That being what the Lucifer’s accused you of doing, so bringing about the Rebellion.
Yes, they believed they knew better than us, they chose to stop following us; they believed by using their minds they could make the universe how they wanted it to be - a more superior version, and so they turned their back on God. They believed they’d be better gods.
Okay, so there is only one Creator Pair, which we can read about in The Urantia Book as to what that means - which you and Jesus are, and we should have felt so privileged to have had you actually living amongst us in flesh. We should have drunk up every word you BOTH spoke; we should have loved and admired you for being the head of our universe and blown out by the amazingness that you chose us to come to, and that we out of all the ten thousand material planets (I think it is) in Nebadon could actually speak to you face-to-face; us, puny little humanity out of all those other perfect and mighty worlds you could have gone to. But we spat in your faces, and completely denied you Mary, as you were only a woman, and showed Jesus what we thought of him coming and trying to wreck our little paradise of false power and control, but nailing him to a cross.
And yet you still loved us because you could easy see the fucked-up cases we were/are, and you have still been very close to us in the mansion worlds, personally helping many spirits to do their healing, and even now you are still close and helping us to understand where we are going wrong. And for all your love, care and personal attention, all we do is continue to spit in your faces and reject you, going on with all the crap about Jesus and you that the Christian religions believe, and carrying on listening to all the other false Jesus’ and Marys.
And yet, you being perfect, still could not directly help us to heal our evilness and negative state, as you still can’t, and all because you couldn’t be born directly into it and become of it, so the healing of it is not contained in your Spirits of Truth, because you didn’t have the direct experience of healing it.
And so because of this, then we need another high soul-pair, and presumably an Avonal pair, to come and help us heal ourselves, to shed light on the missing part, that which you and Jesus could not reveal to us. They being the true saviours of the world, with their whole focus being just on us - humanity of Urantia, and not as it was with you and Jesus, your focus being as you said on Nebadon your whole universe.
Yes. And that is what I want to talk with you about, this Avonal pair that is to come and be amongst you, and shed light on all that you need to do so as to heal your negative state. Their coming to complete the picture, to complete the revelation that Jesus and I started.
Okay Mary, so we should be on the look-out for the arrival of the Avonal Pair, a man and woman of Avonal soul order that are to show us the folly of our ways, and offer us a way out. And so what do we look out for, what will such a pair look like? And where will they be born; and how can we tell if they really are such a pair with all the people popping up claiming to be you and Jesus, other Avonals, Melchizedeks, and all the great world teachers and spiritual leaders.
They will tell you James, as there is no other way for anyone to know. You’d not be able to recognise them, just as people didn’t and couldn’t recognise Jesus and myself when we were of flesh. The flesh cloaks the spirit light that had you the spirit-eyes to see you’d be able to see the different light and so know that person was of a different order of soul. And so like how Jesus revealed himself to humanity, when it’s time, so too will this pair reveal themselves.
And when will it be time Mary?
When they know within their heart that it is time to make such a revelation.
And presumably, that being once they’ve finished their healing.
Yes, as it couldn’t happen before. Technically they would have to be perfect to reveal themselves; that being, for their Spirits of Truth to begin working, to become activated. They could tell people of their soul origin before hand, but with no Spirits of Truth to back up and support such truth, it’s highly unlikely anyone would be interested in them or even understand the significance of what they were saying.
So no one would believe them.
Mary, The Urantia Book says there are three ways an Avonal (pair) can come, and from all the book says, you would tend to think that the Avonal would come being just materialised as a full adult, and not as a full bestowal being born and having to grow up like everyone else. So materialising as a full adult, would not be able to take on the whole negative state and heal it.
That is what the book is designed to lead one to think James, for it still has to work in keeping with the parameters of the Rebellion and Default. However were such a pair to come like that, to materialise as full adults, then as you said, they would of course not be able to take on the full rebellion and default, they’d not become of evil themselves, so would not have anything of it - no imperfection - to heal. So they would be perfect, just as Jesus and I were, and so would not be able to achieve anything more then we did concerning the personal revealing of the missing part - how to heal oneself of ones evilness by themselves being the Living Example, for which others can follow. So it would be futile for such an Avonal pair to come like that, which if one understood the nature of what the Rebellion and Default are really about as portrayed by the book, would come to understand for oneself, just as you did James.
Only because of my healing Mary, and with a little help from... a few spirits friends - Mary!
So the people claiming the Avonal Monjoronson (although I read he’s now said he has a new name - Serara), will ‘when the time is right’, suddenly materialise out of thin air like Machiventa did all those years ago; and the Maitreya who supposedly suddenly materialised in Africa some years ago, he possibly being ‘The One’, are wrong.
Yes James. There is no Avonal called Monjoronson, that’s just a group of mind spirits pretending to be the newly arriving Avonal, for you must remember that as such mind spirits know nothing about the healing as we’ve been speaking about it, they then naturally conclude also from reading The Urantia Book that a Avonal will come as a full adult materialisation. And there are many such mind spirits looking for and waiting for such an arrival because they believe they will be able to work with him, help him and even influence him, as he will be able to easily see them in the spirit worlds; for were he to come, he would have all his spirit facilities fully available to him, such as second-sight and being able to hear the spirits and angels and so fully converse with them as he could with people on Earth. But nothing like that is going to happen. Firstly the Avonal pair might not have their full spirit faculties for there being no need for them, they might have some limited way of communicating with spirits should they desire to, and as they would be doing their healing, the only spirits they would speak to from Earth would be those who are also doing their healing in the Divine Love mansion worlds, or those who’ve healed themselves in the Celestial spheres, choosing to have nothing whatsoever to do with the mind spirits because such spirits are still living untrue - still trying to advance their evil states.
And the so-called picture of the Maitreya walking amongst the crowds in Africa that you saw, was a fake, there was no spiritual element to it, he being just an ordinary man. Certain people will have certain qualities about them enabling them to perform healings and certain other ‘tricks’ of a supernatural nature - as there have always been people like that on Earth, it being part of their personality expression, but such things will not qualify them as being the Avonal Pair. The Avonals will ONLY be concerned with helping people to understand how they can truly through and with their feelings heal themselves, shedding light on the negative, unloving and untrue condition people are living in, nothing else. They will also do certain healings, however these will all be angelic inspired like how Jesus did his healings, having nothing whatsoever to do with the mind spirits or any spirits from Earth for that matter, not even the Celestial spirits in the doings of such things. In time when people are working to heal themselves, and have healed themselves and so are living a Celestial level of truth, the Celestial spirits will be able to help such people to perform miraculous healings if they are required, but only the Paradise Pairs can and do actually work with the angels performing such angelic healings as were written about in The Urantia Book that Jesus performed. These healings are angel-specific, meaning every part of them is carried out by angels, whereas with the other spirit type healing, such as what the mind spirits and Celestials can do, the angels are involved but behind the scenes, and only indirectly.
I understand Mary. It says also in The Urantia Book the Avonal comes with legions of angels, presumably to carry out such activities if required.
Yes. And as to whether or not they will be required, humanity will have to wait and see.
All right, so the Avonal pair will come on a full bestowal incarnation, being conceived naturally and born naturally like you and Jesus were (and none of that Immaculate Conception nonsense), all which from reading The Urantia Book seems impossible, it saying that once the Creator Son (and Daughter) has incarnated on a world there is no further need for another full Avonal bestowal for they’d not be able to achieve as much as the Creator Son (and Daughter) did, so they’d be no need for them.
That’s right, on ordinary worlds, ones not tainted and influenced by evil, and on worlds that are not under Jesus’ and my control, such as Urantia is. And because as we’ve said, we didn’t incarnate taking on the evil ways and healing ourselves of them, so we can’t actually help you via our Spirits of Truth to do your healing, so we’ve not been able to reveal it to you - we didn’t reveal it, which is why nothing was said about it in the Padgett Messages. And so humanity requires an Avonal pair who will fully incarnate, or else they will never heal themselves, as the truth of how to do so will never be revealed.
But you’re revealing the truth of it now Mary?
In fact we’re not James. We are only taking from you what you and Marion have uncovered and seen for yourselves. We’ve taken the base element and added a little bit to it, however the essence we’ve taken from our observations of you and all we’ve experienced from spirits healing themselves in the Divine Love mansion worlds. So technically, and although we say this completes our revelation, in truth, it’s not a full revelation, still only partial and in keeping with our limitations; for a full revelation would include us fully having submitted to the evil and healing ourselves of it, thereby demonstrating through our lives that we healed ourselves of evil, that being the ‘Living Truth’ we’d then be able to personally reveal. It being what the Avonal pair will be able to claim. Not that they will need to say anything, it just being how it is - what they’ve experienced.
Okay, just to confuse me more, what you’re now saying is that in fact this what we’re doing together is the completion of your revelation to us, your full revelation, yet that revelation is still only a partial and limited one because of the restrictions that are still imposed on you. So it’s a full partial revelation. But I thought you said you were now free of them - the restrictions.
We are personally, however in keeping with our age, we still can’t and so haven’t, and will never, be able to reveal a full revelation to Earth because we were denied it, we weren’t allowed to live until our old age or whenever the Mother and Father said that’s it - your life and work is now complete on Earth. So as we lived really only partial lives, that’s all we can reveal.
I see, yes now I understand more what you mean by the ‘Living Truth’. And so had you lived full lives both equally as the Creator Pair, then you’d both be able to reveal a lot more to us.
Yes. And what you’ve just done James is an example of how it’s been between you and Jesus and I all the way along. You have questioned us, and we’ve been able to come forward revealing a little at a time. And that’s one of the limitations imposed on us, we’ve not been able to come straight out and tell you, as we would have done had we been able to be our full true selves on Earth. And had we back then, then there would be no need for us to be coming in these part revelations as with you and James Padgett, because we’d have revealed it all then, and humanity would still have access to all we said. So we have had to rely on you and Marion growing and advancing in your truth for us to come forward in response to your questioning of us.
What if I didn’t want to ask you any questions, like Marion doesn’t.
There’s no point answering that question is there, because you did want to - you have done so, many of them, continuously, and over and over.
You mean I’ve been a pain in the bum.
No, not at all James, it’s all been absolutely necessary for us to have our say, all that we have so as to complete, albeit, still a partial revelation, but enough, and more than enough with you and James Padgett, so as to get our message across to humanity.
Mary, I realised the other day that the supposed World Teacher will not actually be a teacher, for there is nothing actually to teach. And that the pair will be Revealers of Truth, and just speak about their revelation; and there’s a message in the Padgett Messages that speak about a future revealer of truth coming to our world. Because, what is there to teach, for how can one teach someone how to long for the Divine Love, and long for the truth, and how to accept, express and uncover the truth of ones feelings. You can’t actually teach anyone how to long, we all have to work that part out for ourselves. But we can have revealed to us about longing for the Divine Love, the Truth, and the need for us to do our healing.
That’s right James, you can’t teach anyone how to long, and that’s the best part of it, it’s all up to the individual to work out all the most important parts for him and herself. So no one can be the controller. At best all you can do is share your experiences, which is all you can do with each other anyway. It’s not about, and so nor will, a high spiritual teacher or pair of teachers come to Earth to take classes so people can learn a technique as to how to long for the Divine Love or do their healing by longing for the truth of their feelings. There are no lessons to be had, no rules to follow, there are only at best vague guidelines, such as what Jesus and I are speaking about concerning living true to your feelings. It is ultimately up to each individual to work out how to long for the truth and the Divine Love, knowing they can; that understanding and knowledge having been revealed by the Revealers. Of which Jesus and I are the first part, that being concerning the Divine Love. Jesus and I were to come specifically to reveal the Divine Love, we should have both done that, telling you, you could long specifically to your Mother and Father of Paradise for Their Divine Love. But of course because of our not being able to directly interfere with the Rebellion and Default, and so humanity’s evilness, we couldn’t complete our revelation, which we are now able to do through you James, taking into account what we’ve just spoken about concerning the restrictions, with Jesus beginning it through James Padgett.
No one, and no mind spirit will know the identity of this Pair ahead of time. There are, as you are well aware James, as you said in the beginning of this post, numerous references to a World Spiritual Teacher at some time coming to Earth, and indeed all these references are actually very veiled references to this time, not even to Jesus and myself. Some of the earlier prophecies were about Jesus and I, and others to do with the Avonal pair, but mostly it’s all very mixed up and confusing.
So you mean those people expecting Jesus to reappear and usher in the next 1000 years of peace, are actually referring to the coming Avonal pair.
Yes. As we’ve told you, for now, this is Jesus’ and my Second Coming of Truth. And we emphasis and stress the truth part, it having started with the Padgett Messages; because well in the future, well after humanity has fully healed itself, we will come again in person, but as for now, nothing as the Christian’s think directly applies to us.
I can’t help feeling the Christians misinterpret their prophecies because they don’t understand what the Spirits of Truth actually are or what they do.
That’s right James, nor do they understand that other higher Sons and Daughters are capable of liberating such Spirits of Truth, and so would and are to be called ‘Christs’ as well. They only believe that there is Jesus and it all hinges on him, let alone the fact that I too am a Christ as are all Avonal pairs because we all can liberate our Spirits of Truth. This being all to help people liberate their own spirit of truth, that being, the spirit of their own truth, which you do as you uncover the truth within yourselves through your feelings.
So the long awaited saviour is in fact the Avonal pair because within them is the key to how you are to get yourselves out of your negative state, that being something Jesus and I can’t fully reveal to you. It being something we knew intellectually and could help spirits in the Divine Love mansion worlds (and in these writings), and only because they were intent on longing to their Mother and Father for Their Divine Love. We couldn’t have helped them were they only intent on doing their feeling-healing, as it was not something we actually experienced. So our Spirits of Truth do not contain that experience or truth derived from it. So our Spirits of Truth can’t help anyone in the practical sense to heal their negative state. And as you know James, mere words alone are not enough. So we can talk about the basics of it with you in this blog but people will need the direct involvement of the Avonals Spirits of Truth to fully do their healing. So one can begin it now, and in time as one will need such help it will be there for them.
So you could only help the Divine Love spirits who were striving to heal themselves because of the Divine Love connection, in that you are divine.
That’s a new point for me Mary, that you could only help those spirits who embraced the Divine Love. And is that because it then circumvents all the other restrictions pertaining to our natural love condition in our negative states?
Yes. And had we been in flesh it would have been the same for people had they willingly longed for and received the Divine Love, we could then as you say have circumvented the limitations of the Rebellion and Default, so we could have helped people to do their healing. But as we are no longer of the physical, so we have not been able to help you, and even though Jesus through James Padgett has made the truth known again about longing for the Divine Love, still we are not there in person with you able to take you through all you would need to do so as to begin and establish yourselves in your healing. So that’s why those people who long for the Love are incorrect when they believe the Divine Love will heal them, it won’t, for only you can do that for yourselves. And so that’s also why you need the new Avonal pair to come and show you and help you as Jesus and I did for the Divine Love mansion world spirits. And once this pair dies, then people still on Earth striving to do their healing, will through the Avonals Spirits of Truth still gain such help as if the pair was with them in flesh.
And this Avonal pair Mary, why have they been kept such a secret?
It wasn’t done on purpose, it was just in keeping with the requirements of the Rebellion and Default. They have needed to be subjected to the fullness of humanity’s evil state, the whole negative condition, and then to work themselves free of it. Had they been told who they were from an early age with such speculation about all what that meant, they being the ‘Chosen Ones’ and all that sort of thing, and all that people in their negative states would have put on them and made of it, it would not have allowed them to take on all the evil purely as it was, it would have all interfered too much with all of that, and so once again defeating the whole purpose of their coming. For they’d not have been able to do a complete job, and so requiring yet another pair at some time to come and complete the process. But as interference hasn’t happened, thereby allowing the pair the full experience of evil, so they’ve had to be kept secret so as no one - including the mind spirits - could interfere with them. They are to wake up to their true self-identity and feel it within themselves: the truth of who they are. And even if they were to have been told by other spirits as to their true soul identity, such as were Jesus and myself to tell or confirm it to them, it would only be once they were well on their way in their healing.
So once they were on their way then you’d not be interfering with them, is that what you mean?
Yes, for they would know what it was all about anyway, so far as being wrong and having to heal themselves of their evil state; and then, as to whether they are Avonals or not is neither here nor there, for it means nothing until they’ve healed themselves anyway. They can’t do anything whilst they are denying all that is true, so effectively they aren’t Avonals you might say, until they have healed themselves.
So they won’t even know if they truly are the Avonal pair until they finish their healing.
That’s right, for they can’t know as such truth will be hidden from them. And their soul won’t release it until such time as they are true.
So they won’t grow up as we’re told Jesus did in The Urantia Book, by steadily and progressively becoming aware of their Son and Daughtership.
No, it will remain completely hidden from them. And if they are told, they might intellectually entertain the idea, but won’t be able to do anything about it so far as their feelings are concerned confirming to them their Son and Daughtership status until they are able to be true to such feelings, which can and will only come about once they’ve completed their healing.
So they could be here now and not know the truth identity of their own souls, as in their Avonal status and all that means. Or they could have been told it, but are still to wait until they’ve completed their healing before they will really know it to be true.
Yes, and they are here now on Earth more or less in that capacity.
So really so far as the truth is concerned and the beginning of the new spiritual age you and Jesus have spoken about, it all hinges on and awaits the completion of their healing.
Yes. They are to finish their healing so they will know the truth of themselves. And until such time, were they to entertain such an idea that they are such a soul, it would only remain a mental idea awaiting their feelings to confirm it. However of course to have such a mental idea and without such supportive feelings, and having to deal with all that inner confusion as to whether you are possibly this Son or Daughter, or whether you might only be deluding yourself, wanting to make it up because of ones feeling so powerless, adds even more to the inner pressures they would have to work through. But as there are many people deluding themselves as to being Jesus or myself or someone else like an Avonal or Melchizedek, all because they feel so powerless needing this alter ego, for the real pair, or one of the pair to subject themselves to such things as well, is just all part of their taking on the negative state and experiencing all such powerlessness and self-delusion. So they would have to work through it all so as to ascertain whether or not it was true, or was it all just nonsense, another fantasy. Are they really a Son and Daughter of God, or just so extremely self-deluded and in such a poor state they have to pretend they are someone they are not, and someone so high and mighty.
Yeah, I see what you mean. It’s hard enough having to deal with all the usual stuff humanity is suffering from, let alone if one had to also deal with all that extra stuff.
So Mary, what is this Avonal pair going to do? Are they going to take over and save the world, as so many of these great prophesied World Teachers are supposed to do?
I can’t tell you what they are actually going to do, as in what they will do personally with people, and which people, nor can I tell you in which country or countries they are going to do their work; but what I can tell you is, no, they are not going to take over the world, they are not going to have anything to do with the affairs of mankind, that being, the running of the world; but yes, they are going to save humanity, but that is by showing or revealing the way people can heal themselves of their evilness. They are not going to stop the so-called evil controllers making everything unfair for everyone, nor are they going to wave their magic wand and make everyone pure, no longer evil, and so instantly healing everyone of their negative states. Nor are they going to heal the natural world - nature. Humanity will do all these things for themselves as they grow in truth through the doing of their healing. This Avonal pair are only Revealers. They won’t even be helping individuals to do their healing in a hands on way, other than just revealing that which people will need to know so as to do it for themselves. You have to get yourselves out of your evilness by yourselves and for yourself.
The Christians from what I understand want Jesus to come and save the them, taking them off to the Promised Land, which I don’t really understand what that means, as I’ve not read anything yet that explains what that is all actually about. Are they wanting Jesus to come and kill them all so they will go into the mind mansion worlds there to live happily everafter in the religious sectors; or, to somehow magically lift them up without them having to die, taking them into their spirit lives and the Promised Land of milk and honey; and if so, why would he do that when they will die naturally and move into the mind spirit worlds anyway. Or will he come and take them to the promised physical land, killing all enemies that might be occupying it, and giving it to them. And then what, hang around sitting on the thrown watching them grow veggies and living their blissful lives in the ‘Presence of the Lord’.
No James, it’s all pie in the sky stuff, just fantasies, they don’t know what they are even talking about. All the Avonal pair is going to do is talk about their healing; the state of humanity from the point of view of you living untrue to yourselves and how you are maintaining your state by denying your feelings. How you’ve taken it all on, and then how you can set about extracting yourselves from it.
So all that we have been talking about.
And so if we are talking about it, what is the Avonal pair going to talk about it all for as well. Why are they needed, when you can do it all through me. Oh dear, that doesn’t too nice does it, I must be a bit jealous - more bad feelings to talk with Marion about!
Oh, I understand now, because of what you’ve said, the Living Truth part. For their Spirits of Truth and all of that for future humanity. Sorry Mary, I was writing out loud to myself. But still, aren’t they just going to be repeating all you and Jesus have been talking about.
Yes, but you still need a person/s, there still needs to be face-to-face contact, and the human part, the direct interaction between the Son and Daughter and the sons and daughters, the personal interaction that inspires feelings so truth can result. So it doesn’t matter how much we talk about it, there still needs to be the human experience. And Jesus and I can’t give humanity the human experience through you. And so our work with you is a forerunner to this, as in we are helping to build the bridge that is reaching out down to humanity, because when people do receive the truth face-to-face they will be able to look to cross that bridge. So we are helping to bridge that gap between humanity and Jesus and myself in our work with you and that with James Padgett and the few other receivers of Jesus’ messages there have been. It’s all preparation for the face-to-face so some people will be familiar with and even setting out to try and live this new way, doing their healing, when the Avonal pair sets about living the public part of their lives. And it has to be done this way because of Jesus and my coming to Urantia. The Avonal pair really only coming to fill in the healing part of our revelation, healing themselves of the evilness.
I’ve been thinking about this Mary, and there’s nothing to say that the Avonal pair will be involved with the whole world is there. I mean, it could happen like how it happened with you and Jesus. The pair might not actually go very far from their home, not going out all over the world, as it’s not about numbers but about quality, isn’t it?
It is James. They might only talk to a few people about the truth, but in such interactions the truths would be revealed to humanity, enough to satisfy the technical side of their bestowal, so as doing all that’s required to empower their Spirits of Truth.
So what you’re saying is, they might even just talk to one person about the truth, but that one person being of flesh and blood and face-to-face might be enough for them all to have the necessary experiences satisfying the requirements of what will constitute their Spirits of Truth.
Yes, in theory, however you need to extend it to two people, a man and woman, for that would then embrace the whole of humanity, being two representatives of the sexes; and really even further still, for that couple to be soul-pair. However that would be the minimal requirement, and that’s even further complicated by really their needing to talk to twelve soul-pairs that constitutes the equivalent of a Celestial spirit group, however...
Okay, I see what you mean. So we’ll just leave it up to the Mother and Father.
Best we do I think. Still, it’s good that you are thinking along these lines James, because as you said, it’s not necessary that the Avonal pair travel extensively the world giving humanity their blessing. It’s not about numbers like that as you said, and they wouldn’t do that anyway. It’s all going to be far more personal.
So conceivably they might even come and go and most of humanity wouldn’t even know they were here, just like when you and Jesus came.
Yes. However with your extensive communication networks, it might be more along the lines of them declaring themselves to the world, but the world not being interested in them, with only a few people wanting to live true.
Unless they started to do a few miraculous healings and then no doubt the whole world would be clamouring to be healed.
Yes, that is quite possible too.
And if all the earth changes happen and we all get zapped by a big blast of cosmic radiation from the sun rendering all our mechanical systems defunct, then they will just be living in a small community helping to grow veggies to survive.
Yes, that too is possible. And what better way for the truths to be revealed for them to be implanted as ‘seeds’ in a fertile part of the world, there to be nurtured by those people who strive to do their healing and understand what it is all about as they divest themselves of their evilness; then for those people or their children to go out and slowly mix with other people offering them such information and truth, and so the word slowly spreads by word of mouth, and... Sort of like how it was meant to happen with Eve and Adam.
Yes I see, I do find that approach rather appealing, compared to all the song and dance the world would do if suddenly two people stood up declaring themselves to be the new Christs. And then just to prove it, to start off with a great big mass healing of every sick child in the local hospital. And then on with the show as they tour the world healing the sick and feeding the poor, with those angels preforming wonderments for everyone to behold so no one is left in any doubt as to the truth of such a pair. For of course they would then be of God, a true Son and Daughter of God; and, oh my god! - a woman doing such things, a woman being the equal in truth to the man; and oh my god, what is this they are talking about, there being an actual Father AND Mother; and oh my god, what have we been doing all this time mucking around with our stupid religions; and oh my god, they say we’re all evil; and oh my god, they say all parents are unloving and really shouldn’t be parents; and oh my god, we’re all to wake up to the truth that all we call love is not real love, and so all that so-called love our parents had for us and we have for them is... and oh my god and oh my god, and off with their bloody heads quick smart for it’s too much to take in, they are too far out there, they are the dreaded Antichrist, and especially that woman, get rid of her the ugly old bitch, and... Yes Mary, I can’t see it.
No James, and how can you see it when you’re still of it?
Yes, well I hope I’m around for it... or though actually that doesn’t matter does it, I can be dead and looking in from spirit, it’s all the same thing. And as they can’t actually help me with my healing-
No, not the same thing, as you are to be directly involved in it.
Yeah well I won’t even ask you to answer the question in my head as to - how am I to be involved? The whole thing is bizarre enough as it is, if there is actually to be such a Pair - that is mad and far-fetched enough.
And I won’t say anymore James. In fact, I think we’ve spoken enough for the time about it, and as you are now to make lunch, I’ll speak more with you later.
Thank you Mary, as usual a delight and mind-expanding experience to talk with you.
‘As long as you’re happy, James that’s all that matters.’
Bye James, speak to you soon, Jesus is to have his say about the coming Avonal pair, so you can look forward to that.
Great, I will!