For you maybe Jesus, I feel totally battered and fucked - as usual.
Nothing to worry about my dear boy, all part of your healing process, of which I have come today to enlighten you further about.
I like your posh English accent, it’s very becoming. I can just imagine you speaking to the masses from such a regal disposition. Are you trying to cheer me up Jesus?
Isn’t that what you do on your world, try to override all your bad feelings replacing them with good ones?
So it seems. I’m still trying to stop doing it to myself. However I doubt your sense of humour will be conveyed to the reader.
Not to worry James, it’s only for you.
Yeah well thankfully I haven’t bought into your cheeriness this morning, and I’m not going to either!
And so you shouldn’t.
But why are you coming to me like this, this morning, it’s obviously to help me bring out more yuk within myself, is there something you want me to see about it?
I do. So please continue in your bright and cheery and everything-is-grand mode if it will help me.
No need to carry on any more along those lines James, I’ve done all I wanted to do. You’ll be able to discuss with Marion all you feel about it as it comes to you this morning. So now, down to the business at hand. I have come to speak to you as Mary said I would, about the Avonal pair.
As you understand, the Avonals come to the specific physical worlds in the local universe they are assigned to, and so this pair Mary has been speaking about has come to Earth. And so the Earth, as with each physical world, really comes under Avonal care. So that’s what the Avonals do - they personally care for and about each material world. Mary and I care personally about our whole universe. And although Earth will always be overshadowed by Mary’s and my coming, I want you to understand that still underneath that, it comes under the custody of the Avonal pair, for they will be attending to humanity from now on, as Mary and I will be leaving them to it, as we move back to solely attend to the business of Nebadon.
Yes, I understand what you’re saying. So really the work of Avonals as I understand it, is to help focus the humanity they attend to, on you and Mary, for the ascending soul is to move up through and past you both as it were. So the Avonals are sort of the worlds (including the mansion worlds) spiritual ‘mother’ and ‘father’ to which they’ve bestowed themselves, leading all people via their Spirits of Truth to the Creator Pair; so in our case, you and Mary, you being our universal spiritual ‘mother’ and ‘father’. And then with the help of your Spirits of Truth, we look to you both to lead us to our soul ‘mother’ and ‘father’, the Heavenly Mother and Father. So it’s a course of stepping stones helping us to rise up higher and higher in truth.
Yes, it is as you say, and what you’ve said will help people to put it all into the right perspective. For as you know, even though you are to align yourselves with Mary and I, taking what we say and then aligning yourselves directly with the Mother and Father, you can’t actually do that because of your negative state. And so before you cross the bridge to us and set off on your way to Paradise, you first need to look to the Avonal pair, for they will help you set about doing the healing of your evilness. And so to look to Mary and I only, will make things harder for you, for you will be trying to step over the cavern of your rebellion and default, of your negative state, by coming to us, which you can’t do.
So what you’re saying is, say regarding Christians who are wholly focused on you (and including the people who’ve read the Padgett Messages and are actively longing for the Divine Love and to be at-one with the Father) as the way and saviour, that first they have to look to the Avonal pair and understand about the negative state they are living in and how to heal it; and once healed, then they can focus on you and Mary, and the Mother and Father. Although because of the Divine Love being available to us and your having come to Earth, we can begin by looking to the Avonal pair and at the same time, long to you for yours and Mary’s help and long to our Heavenly Mother and Father for Their Divine Love. Nice and straightforward if I say so myself!
Yes, and that’s one of the difficulties people face in striving to grow in truth, to look to us when we can’t actually help you in what needs to be done first, that being, to heal yourselves of your self-denying condition.
But surely all you’re saying now about all of this and our healing will enable people to look to you and Mary and understand about all that’s involved in their healing.
No, it won’t because still as we weren’t of evil and didn’t have to heal ourselves of it, such people can read about what we say, entertain such a notion and even make a start and some headway in healing themselves, but they will still need to look further into all the Avonals reveal so as to engage with their Spirits of Truth when they are fully released. Everyone will need their Spirits of Truth to help them fully complete their healing so as to align themselves fully with the truths the Avonal pair lives, thereby preparing them to live all that Mary’s and my Spirits of Truth will help them live, that being during their journey through Nebadon. There will be some overlap between the Avonals and our Spirits of Truth concerning the truths we revealed and what they will reveal on Earth, but I want you to understand that really the Avonals Spirits of Truth are to attend to everyone on Earth and so all the mind mansion worlds spirits as well. There is then again over-lap in the Divine Love mansion worlds, but once you’re a Celestial spirit, then it’s drawing upon the spiritual power of Mary’s and my Spirits of Truth that will see you through Nebadon and on your way into the greater universe.
Okay, but Jesus, why does it all have to be so complicated and technical. Not that I’m complaining mind you, it’s just for the reader new to all of this, taking it on cold, and probably not being familiar with the Padgett Messages or The Urantia Book, it might all seem a bit daunting, even putting them off.
I understand your concern James, however we want to get it all sorted out, it all being part of what we’re talking about, so the Spirits of Truth are able to function properly. I know you can’t understand this, but all the technical side of things needs to be brought out and understood at least by you. And also, it’s to be a whole work, something people will be able to study through the forthcoming next age, something some people will relate to more than others, but it being what they need to understand, a part of getting it all sorted out and clear in their minds, just as it is necessary for you to do
Yeah, Marion’s not interested in it at all. And sometimes I wonder why I am, it befuddles my mind, but the questions keep coming. I don’t even know if I can or could remember half of what you tell me. I’ll be having to re-read all I write so as to remember it.
It is all within you James, no need to worry about that. If you need to draw upon it, there is as you know, a lot of help at hand for you. Starting with your friend and Indwelling Spirit - Bob, then you angelic guardians, and Mary and myself and...
Okay, so I won’t even think about it.
So up until then, will people still be able to be helped by the Avonals if they listen to what you and Mary are saying and want to start to live true to their feelings.
Yes, because it’s all happening now, by which I mean the Avonals are here now and working on healing themselves, so all Mary and I say does apply on that level, but it’s really for the people in future that I am saying this too, when the Avonals are no longer on Earth, for such people will have to look to them first and then to Mary and I, and not jump over them to us.
Okay, but why didn’t you just say that to begin with. Sometimes we go a long way around it all.
That’s all so you can work things out for yourself James. As Mary and I have said, we can’t just come in and tell you how to be and how it is, so we sort of have go here and there all so you can work it out and then ask us the appropriate questions.
Okay. And you’ve done this all the way along, so that explains that, and I used to think it was because I was resisting you and I wasn’t very good at receiving your messages.
I know, but you’ve always been very good at receiving the mental impressions Mary and I have wanted you to receive, only we’ve had to meander a bit at times because of what I said. As we’ve told you all along, it’s all been for you, our coming to you, first and foremost, to help you with your healing and growth of truth, all so we can then impress on your mind all we want to.
And so that’s the sort of thing you were doing to James Padgett when you kept telling him he wasn’t in the right mental state to receive a message.
Yes, only with James Padgett he wasn’t growing in truth like you are, so we couldn’t come out with anything to do with the healing, so it had to be as it was with him, my trying to coax him along by chastising him, as that was part of his mental pattern I had to adhere to.
So in such communication with anyone, and no doubt it will be same with the Celestials when they work with people who are doing their healing, they too won’t just come straight out with it, but frame it all within the limitations and restrictions of the persons mind, slowly helping them to work it all out for themselves.
Yes, unlike the mind spirits that don’t abide by such restrictions being totally unaware of them and what’s involved in you doing your healing and seeking the truth through your feelings, who all but bash you into submission to accept what they say.
Yes, I remember being in certain groups who were trying to communicate with mind spirits and seeing just how controlling those spirits were, subjecting the people to all sorts, of what I’d now call, mental abuse. There was always so much fear with what they were doing.
That’s right, not loving and gentle, not as the Celestials will be. And so for those people wishing to work with Celestial spirits in their full capacity, only if they are striving to do their healing will both be able to gain the full benefit of the interaction.
A girl I new before I met Marion longed to speak with the Celestials and felt they were with her, but she just couldn’t connect with them, it being so she said, as if they wouldn’t for some reason come forward and actually speak with her.
Yes, because she wasn’t wanting to grow in truth, she was only wanting to use them to further advance her negative state and the Celestials won’t allow themselves to be used that way. Had she sincerely wanted to advance her soul in truth, such as you have done all the way along James, then they would have engaged with her, helping her to come to the point at which she’d have been able to begin her healing should she have chosen to.
I can see what you’re saying Jesus, it’s obvious to me now. Back then with her I didn’t know about the healing. But as you say, she wasn’t interested in growing in truth, she just wanted the importance of being able to claim she was speaking with the Celestials. She said she was interested in growing in truth, but-
But she wasn’t James, which is why your relationship with her broke down. Because you were and she wasn’t; whereas when you met Marion, as she was ONLY interested in growing in truth, so you easily came together to do what you are now doing.
Yeah, that’s very clear now. Which really are the same reasons why none of my relationships with women prior to Marion worked.
That’s right. You’ve always been seeking the truth in all that you’ve done, only it wasn’t until your time in London that you started to focus your longing for the truth into spiritual matters, that being where you came to understand that the spirits were the key to it, and so here we are now.
Okay, thank you for those insights Jesus. But getting back to the Avonals, was there more you wanted to say about the Avonal pair?
All I want to do is stress to your readers just how important this pair are to be for them personally and for the whole of humanity. Without them personally and collectively humanity will never be able to heal itself of it’s evilness whilst of flesh. People would only be able to do so once they came to the mansion worlds and embraced the Divine Love. So even though such a pair is not to be worshipped or put on any pedestal, they are simply to be understood for what they are: The Revealers of the Way, and that way is: The way out of your evilness.
So that’s all they are here for... which is I guess enough in itself... no small thing.
That’s right, but it goes further than that in that they will be attending very personally to the new spiritual age from spirit. Once they have died they will continue with humanity helping people who are serious in doing their healing just as Mary and I have helped the Divine Love spirits. They will be making personal connections with some people on Earth from spirit and they will be liaising with and working closely with all that the Teacher Pairs do.
The Trinity Teacher Sons and Daughters that are also apparently currently here in the spirit planes all to help those people who want to embrace their healing?
Yes. And it’s very important that people understand that these Dyanal pairs, which they can read about in The Urantia Book - and they are masculine and feminine spirits, not just masculine as The Urantia Book says, might possibly reach out and make contact with them. And if people want help from such higher Teachers, they can long for their help, however I would advise against thinking that any voice in your head would be theirs. If you are to receive such personal and direct help from the Teacher pairs or the Avonal pair when they return to spirit, you will know, for they will let you know without doubt that it is they you are speaking to. And if you are still in doubt, through the course of your relationship with them, as you grow more in truth healing more of your negative state, you will know it is them.
Okay, like how it’s been for me with you and Mary - the further I’ve progressed the more I’m convinced that it really is you.
Yes James, exactly like that. And even though you’ve wanted it to be us, still you’ve kept a part of your self open to the truth that you might only be deluding yourself that we are who we say we are, that you might still only be making it up. And that has been good for you to do as it has kept a humility about you with which Mary and I have been able to work. Had you asserted your ego and told yourself it was us, and not doubted at all, then we would have very quickly come up against barriers, just as the Celestials and I did with Swedenborg as we said in the Padgett Messages. He was delighted in his self-importance that he was speaking to us, not doubting it at all, and that was his limitation. And then James Padgett was too far the other way, having no self-confidence in what he was doing with us and finding it very hard to accept that it was myself and that I would speak to him. Whereas you’ve been in the middle, with enough ego to believe it could be us, but still with enough humility to be open to the truth that it might only be your own mental delusion. You need some ego to accept that it us, and that we have wanted to speak with you, but that was enough to get you going before you started your healing. Now having started that, it’s a whole different thing anyway, and you know how to be self-monitoring so far as keeping an eye on yourself for your own self-delusion by staying attuned to your feelings. For as you’ve said many times to Marion, if it surely is all something you are making up, and so long as you keep longing for the truth, then one day something must give and you will feel bad and upon expressing those bad feelings uncover the truth; and if it is all shit then you’ll be able to see for yourself. I’ve used your words there.
I know Jesus, it was like writing what I said to Marion, and you’d never say shit. You’re too true and perfect and charming and all nice and... and all Jesus.
Can we get on with the Avonal stuff?
Sorry Jesus I must have got carried away there for a moment, another of mental aberrations. Oh no, not a good sign, I must be feeling a bit better being able to carry on with you. But I don’t want to carry on.
Just a bit of fun James.
Light relief more like, it all gets a bit intense sometimes Jesus.
The Avonal pair is to be associated with humanity both on Earth and from spirit, and directly with those spirits wanting to do their healing in the mansion worlds, and even beyond when humanity is fully healed, so for a long time.
So it’s not just a one off thing, sort of ‘we’ll just pop down to help humanity sort itself out, then hang around in spirit for the next 1000 years to make sure they get the idea, and then when they are up and running we’ll be off to the next world, the next assignment in our Avonal careers.
No, nothing like that. No popping in or out. Just very hard slog. Taking on all the evilness and having to deal with that is no small thing, as you’re discovering.
I know, I used to think it wouldn’t take much, that surely I wasn’t too fucked, and yet, how ignorant I was, how little did I know as to what was involved. How little did I know how fucked I was.
And there was no way you could have known James. There is nothing on your world that focuses solely on the rectification of personality, and all that expressing ones full personality involves. But now you’re getting something of an idea. And I can tell you, you’ll be getting something of an idea for many years to come and well into your spirit life, and even for the rest of eternity, for that’s what it’s all about: the ongoing expression of personality in Creation by our soul - no small thing.
Every day now I do feel like am moving on in my healing and I appreciate that it is all really about healing the damage that was done to me - my personality expression. I have so many behaviours that stop me expressing myself truly, and there seems no end to them.
It’s all very complicated James and a lot of damage was done to you as you formed into your imperfect state through your early childhood, and it’s the same for everyone, even those people who feel relatively good about themselves. And it all has to be fixed, so it takes some doing, a long time, moving up through all the different circuits involved.
Jesus we seem to keep getting of the Avonal track.
There is no track James, it’s just fine as we are, speaking whatever comes to mind. I don’t have anything more as such to say about the Avonals, you’ve written more of the specific details in our other communications with you, in this work we only need to make something of an introduction to all we’ve done together.
I have the feeling that in fact we’ve finished writing about all the topics you’ve actually wanted to talk about.
Yes, that’s right, now it’s up to you and your readers should they want any more information on specific things. Mary and I will still happily keep writing these posts with you for as long as you’d like us to - that being now for the time being, but as you know, either of us can have a change of feelings at any time.
I understand Jesus. And thank you both for all you’ve told me about myself.
It’s always our pleasure James, something very different and out of the ordinary for us, so we’re thoroughly enjoy our time with you. I’ll go now and leave you to your discussions with Marion, and we’ll both speak to you soon. Jesus.
Mary and Jesus, having thought about all you’ve said about the Avonal pair, I have to say that I feel very skeptical about it all now. All you say technically I can see, it’s a nice picture and it all makes sense fitting in with everything else you’ve told me, even though it doesn’t agree with what The Urantia Book says about bestowal Sons. But still how I’m feeling now is well... Jesus and Mary say the Avonal pair is here, and they say these are the End Times, with all the changes soon to happen, but as that’s how I’ve always lived my life, always looking forward to the future, always with hope that something better will happen, so now I feel like giving it all up. I’ve been reading now how the financial system is meant to fall apart any day now for the last four years; gold is meant to go to record prices and yet all I see on my charts is it going down; the planet is on the verge of severe physical changes, but the weather has always been dynamic, we’re setting new hot and cold records in many places, but a hundred or two hundred years ago so too did they also set new records, so what’s to say nothing will happen for another hundred years and then we’ll set records again by a few pips; and war against Iran is going to start this week, next week, the red line has been drawn, and crossed and crossed again; and so many prophecies heralding the saviour, the new world teacher, he’s coming, he’s here, any moment now he’s going stand up and the whole world will change... and I’m still waiting; and the Mayan 2012 has come and gone; and the New World Order are going to... in March, coinciding with when the meteor comes; but as it didn’t happen in March, so now it’s in May, or later in the year - November, and then it will... and on and on, it’s like an addiction to the future that I’ve got, always waiting and hoping something will change, just as I waited and hoped that something in my early life would change. So I’m getting a bit tired of it all.
And as you know, I used to believe I was the Avonal, the Great One who has come to do God’s bidding. That Marion and I are the Avonal pair, but no, I’ve healed all of that, it only being part of my need for power and thinking I’m someone - someone special. Marion has never entertained the idea.
So now I feel that I’m putting it all on the shelf, and if it happens, so be it, and if the Avonal pair appears, then great, but none of it is going to change my healing, all of which I now want to get on with, withdrawing more, and seeing what happens. I feel like pulling my head back in and returning to concentrating on my own bad feeling expression, all so that I might one day heal myself - another, one day, future hope. And as Marion and I can hardly drag ourselves out of bed in the morning, our bodies being so fucked, with the best we can being just more talking about our bad feelings, thinking about all the rest is too much, it’s far easier to give it all up.
So Mary and Jesus, I have written it as best I can. And as I am not healed and so not perfect, so no doubt there are errors within all I’ve written; but that too I’m no longer worried about because I understand that should people should do their healing, they’ll be able to find out the truths for themselves, and people in future if need be can adjust my work, should it be considered anything worthwhile keeping.
And then I think, that all you both say is so far out there, and as not one person has asked a question of you or me on the blog; and people have been visiting the blog - although possibly not staying long enough to read anything; and as it’s all so confrontational, I don’t know, it’s too hard to even think about, let alone to contemplate that we might be on the threshold of a new spiritual age and people are actually going to want to do their healing.
So I don’t know about all you’ve been saying about this Avonal pair. As I said I’m skeptical of it and the whole End Times, even though I’d like to think that something good will happen to humanity, something that will stop or set back our ongoing abuse of nature.
Mary: Good James, all good, it’s all as you feel and it all needs to be expressed. Jesus and I of course don’t want anyone to accept anything we’ve said just on a mental level only, and as we’ve said, you are not just to believe all we say, even if you believe it is truly us speaking with you James. You and people are to find out the truth for yourselves through your own feelings. And as you know James, the one part of it all that you can’t dispute, is the truth of what happens when you stop denying your feelings and do start looking to them for the truth they are trying to show you.
I can’t Mary. My healing now having gone on for so many years and helping open my eyes and helping me to feel better about myself; no, I can’t dispute that - I’m living it! And having after five years thought I was nearing its completion, and then thinking the same after ten years, and then after... it’s all the same thing - my looking to a better future but all at the expense of truly accepting all of myself and all of my bad feelings. So now I am just going day to day - trying to be in the moment with my feelings as much as I can, which I’m still not very good at; and so far as I know, my healing might take me aeons, as I have no idea how much truth there is for me to see and how much the Mother and Father want me to know. And even though you and Jesus reckon Marion and I will finish our healing before we die, this too I’m taking with a grain of salt, it too I’m putting on the shelf, as frankly I can’t see it happening.
And another feeling that’s growing stronger in the closer we get to finishing the blog, is that even though you didn’t actually ask me to do this for you both, still in some way you have, and I’m pleased now that my work for you is coming to an end. I feel like all my writing has been about getting myself to this stage so I can write it as I’ve done with you. And even though I have and still love every moment with you both, still I feel in some ways, which I’m still to understand more about, it will be a relief to have finished it. I think it’s all tied up with my feeling and believing that I have to do it all for mum, dad and Gran, as it was all always all for them, and nothing for me. So I’m projecting that onto you Mary, that you and Jesus are sort of mum, dad and Gran and I’m still doing it for them, for someone else, for the good of humanity, to help other people, all of that, still putting everyone else first. So my ending it is part of my ending doing that with and for mum, dad and Gran.
And what you’re saying James is right. As you’re seeing about yourself now, nothing you’ve done in your life has really been done just for yourself - you’ve not had a life for yourself, it was all about them, and all for them, all to keep them happy and in their power positions.
Yeah, I couldn’t even say no to them, nor ask them for anything for myself other than a few things I occasionally wanted.
And that’s what you’ve been working on healing within yourself, that you have put the whole of yourself aside for them, they are the important ones, not you. You are there to please and serve and do what they want, not the other way around, not as it should be with the parent being there wholly for its child. And it goes right the way through to your communication, which you’re becoming aware of more lately, that you can’t even articulate and express yourself to anyone, which is your parents, because they didn’t want or allow you to; you weren’t allowed to speak properly, with them wanting to hear what you said, making you feel loved and important and wanted; you had to listen to them speak to you so they felt those things. You had to put your self-expression through and with your feelings, how you communicated with the world - with another person, aside, being able to only use your mind devoid of much emotional content and expression. So you communication circuits have been disrupted in their forming and retarded causing you all the problems in this area you’re now experiencing with Marion.
And thank you again Mary, you always shed a little more light on everything, I love that about both you and Jesus. What you’ve just said has helped me move a little more in it all, as I can see there’s something new there for me so I’ll finish now as I’ve said all I wanted to anyway, and talk with Marion about it. I’ll speak to soon.