Yes James, it’s true, I did refer and often to Mary as my wife. However she was not my wife in a traditional sense, but in a spiritual one. We didn’t get married, we didn’t make such a social or cultural union, and our lives weren’t about obeying or even supporting convention. There was no need for it, as we were already more together than any manmade custom could achieve or even infer. We were soulmates, the greatest union there is, however as that concept was very difficult to impart particularly upon the men who followed me, so it was just easier to relate to Mary as my wife, especially when it came to illustrate certain points I wanted to make.
Your women followers found it easier to relate to the concept of soulmates?
I referred to Mary in many different ways, each one elevating and alluding to her greatness, to the truth that she was the Creator Daughter of Nebadon, and my soulmate. But I couldn’t go too far, and it didn’t matter anyway, as most of the higher spiritual truths were too difficult for the people back then to understand. Their minds were not of a condition to understand them, let alone for them to live them. It took Mary and I a long time to educate the people with our biggest difficulty being having to make them see that all they believed, their religious and spiritual traditions and beliefs, were incorrect. And it’s the same now James. Even if Mary and I were to come to Earth again, there would be very few people who’d be of a level of mind and soul development to listen to us, to consider what we said, and then to apply it to their lives. Can you imagine the reception I would get should I walk into the big Christian conference you were reading about the other day in America, and if invited to speak, speak about all we’re writing: how the Christian religion is an aberration based on untruth, and the Jesus they are worshiping is a contrived fantasy and has nothing to do with me, the real man, and spiritual leader of Nebadon. I don’t think there’d be too many ears open to my words, and it was the same when I was on Earth. We only had a very small group of serious spiritual followers, mostly the numbers of people that came and listened to me and lived in our camps were there to either receive a blessing from me - the hope that I might magically heal them; get free food and shelter as we didn’t turn anyone away; and just to be in on the fun and to see what happened, including how the authorities would deal with me. I was the latest form of entertainment. And it would be the same today. If I were to come again and even do a few miracles, many people would no doubt be interested in me, following me, even wanting to be healed and in on the action, but very few would actually want to do the hard work of beginning their truth ascension by healing their evil condition. I would in fact achieve nothing more were I to return today to your world, than I did back then.
Yeah, I see what you mean. It’s disheartening.
And it’s why humanity is going to have to work very hard on itself if it ever wants to rid itself of its evilness.
For people, and in particular, the average person to consider we’re all evil, that they are evil, I can’t see many people liking it very much. I’m not expecting many people to take this blog very seriously. I didn’t like it very much when it dawned on me that I was evil, considering I thought I was a nice guy because I didn’t go around raping and murdering, and that those people did were the evil ones.
And it doesn’t matter James, it’s not about numbers at this stage, it will in fact be for other people in future to do the hard work of convincing the masses that their way of life is not actually good for them. All that matters now is for these higher truths to be revealed, it is time for that, and that’s why you and are talking about such things. It hasn’t been time for it up until now, and so I’ve not spoken with anyone on Earth about such things. But it’s now time for Mary to have her say, which you have been wanting her to do, and that’s the most important part of it.
And little pieces of information such as this coptic snippet you are referring to, all help. They allow a little speculation to come into play. They start people thinking along new lines. And even considering that what if the status quo is not true, what if it’s not as it seems. And in many ways a little bit is better than suddenly revealing a big amount, for it would be too much to digest at one time.
Yeah, like our blog.
This blog is for a specific purpose, spiritual reasons, reason which in time will become more apparent, and reasons which we’ve not as yet revealed to you. It’s something you feel you want to do, as it is something Mary and I feel we want to do. So we are doing it. And you know how it goes, each experience that results from it has a great impact on you, on you personally James, just as it does on Mary and I. And as we’re all wanting to evolve our souls in truth, so we want to know how we feel about it all, and by our expressing such feelings, as Mary and I speak about all we feel always to each other, so the truth comes that we are see, all that our Mother and Father want us, Their children, to see. And we move on in our eternal life, ever growing more in truth, ever expressing more of our personality through our feelings. And even though I am Jesus and I am the joint head of this local universe, so far as a soul growing in truth is concerned, Mary’s and my soul together with yours and Marion’s, and people and spirits of humanity, is all the same. Truth is what our soul needs to be fed, but truth arising from our own experiences. It’s one thing to intellectually entertain and embrace truths from another, but when you experience that truth for yourself, it’s entirely a different and more fulfilling experience. And so we are going to tell you the way to experience truth for yourselves. This being done through our work together.
It also says on the bit of papyrus, “As for me, I dwell with her in order to...”. Jesus, did you say these words, and are you referring to Mary again?
Yes. It’s all about Mary, I spoke often about Mary making her an example of much of what I was trying to help the others to see.
Can you complete the sentence?
Yes. However it will be not as I actually spoke it, but it goes along the lines of, “As for me, I dwell with her in order to uncover the truth of womankind. It is to she (Mary) that I look in all such matters of the woman. And as I look, what I see, tells me that she has, as do all women, the ability to live with me (meaning, to be of the same level of truth that I am).”
I spoke a lot about the goodness of women, trying to build women up in their personal self-esteem on a religious and spiritual level, and trying to help men understand that women were their equals in all matters of the spirit - of truth. And that the men would do well to seek the truth and understanding of women, that women have a lot to offer the men in the area of helping them to understand what I talked about. Women weren’t considered to be of any spiritual worth, and yet because of that, they were as a whole far more open to all I said. It was such a pity, for I could have enjoyed the friendship and companionship of women disciples more than I did, but it wasn’t the way things had to be. The male dominance on all levels, and especially the spiritual, was well in place and I had to honour that.
It gives me the impression you’d have perhaps preferred to be more with the women than the men.
No, I loved being with the men, even though it was harder to impart my truths to them, they had more barriers and resistance to all I said. It was just that I would have loved it had Mary been able to be her full and true self, and we could have both worked together imparting our truths to both men and women equally. It was all so unbalanced.
Jesus, what happens if someone brings to light more of the fragment of the text you just completed, and it’s shown that you didn’t say what you’ve told me?
Wait and see James.
Hmm, you’re not going to say more...
No. But if you have any worries or bad feelings about it, you should speak about them to Marion.
Yeah I know, but no, not as yet I don’t have any. I would have had many bad feelings about it years ago, I’d have not even been able to write such a thing even had you wanted me to, because I would have been too afraid of making a fool of myself by saying Jesus and I speak together and he said... and it turns out to be something I’ve made up and a load of rubbish. But I’ve worked though most of those fears - at least I think I have. And really I don’t care now. I know there will be - there are - discrepancies in what you and Mary and all the spirits have told me over the years. And I understand they are all relative to my souls growth. And as I’m fucked and coming out my evilness, if any of what I say or you say through me turns out to be true being confirmed by an outside source, as say more ancient writings coming to light, I’ll be amazed.
All I know is that all you’ve told me over the years has helped me no end. And still is helping me. And that’s good enough for me. As to what other people might think and feel about it- well that’s for them. And if it makes me feel bad, then, yes I know what to do - more bad feelings to express to uncover the truth of.
That’s right, and that’s all you can do. You have no way to prove anything of what Mary or I say to you, or even as we’ve discussed, if indeed I am the man Jesus that walked the earth. Or, even if there was such a man as Jesus for that matter. And so all you can do is rely on your feelings, and as they are all heavily controlled and tainted by your negative state of mind, adding even more difficulties for you, all you really can do is start to express all your feelings with the intention of finding out the truth they are to show you. Just as you said.
Yes, and my doing that over these years has helped me to feel so much better about myself. And as such truth and insights and understanding about it all keeps coming to light within me every day, so I keep going with it.