Mary: ONLY IF YOU ARE WANTING TO LIVE TRUE James, otherwise no, it won’t make you feel bad, it won’t make you feel anything, other than give you a feeling that you are receiving the Divine Love. Then as you understand this, if your mind wants to make you feel good, which really means, if you want to feel good, and even very good that you’ve received the Divine Love, then you can create such good feelings for yourself, but it’s got nothing to do with the Love itself coming into you. You see, whilst you’re in your negative states, even though you can long to the Mother and Father for Their Divine Love, and even though you are receive it into your soul; and even though it might even transform a little of your soul, still that minuscule transformation would not be enough to enable you to feel loved by God. The truth being, that whilst you’re in an anti God state of mind, you CAN’T actually feel loved by God, so you can’t feel the full loving benefits of the Divine Love. So any so-called love anyone should feel upon partaking of the Divine Love whilst in their negative states, is only being bought about by using their minds to contrive such love based on the new belief that they should feel loved by God because they are invocating and receiving God’s love.
Okay, so really until we’re healed, we won’t or can’t even feel loved by the Mother and Father. Not properly anyway.
So all we can do in the meantime whilst we’re doing our healing, is long to be loved by God, wish we could be loved by God, desire to feel our true Heavenly Parents loving us.
Yes, which when you do, is really longing for Their Love.
Yes, I see, it is, isn’t?
And the more you do your healing, should you want to include God in your life, that being, should you want to have a personal relationship with God, then that desire will increase as you progress closer to becoming true.
That explains, as you said, why I don’t feel loved by the Mother and Father. But I’ve put that down to my not being able to because I didn’t feel loved by my mother and father, whereas people who have felt loved by their parents, would no doubt, as some people on the Divine Love forums say, feel loved by God.
It doesn’t matter James, because the bottom line for everyone, and it’s on the bottom line that you’re to have, and are even having currently, albeit one of denial and anti love, your relationship with Them, so those people who say and feel they were loved by their parents and consequently say and feel they feel loved by God are only still deluding themselves. Because the deepest underlying truth within them, which they will have to realise as they do their healing, is they don’t feel loved by their parents, weren’t loved by them, and so can’t and won’t feel loved by God because the positive pattern and love circuits aren’t in operation, they are still shut down.
On more superficial levels people might feel loved and be able to love one another and their pets, and even God, and even feel loved by God, but I’m talking about on the deepest most important levels. These higher or more superficial levels are only love within the negative, so at best are manufactured by the minds of such people. It’s not a true and pure love based on truth. This being the singular most important truth Jesus and I are wanting to convey to people through out work with you James. It’s a false love based on untruth. And this is the greatest and most difficult part of ones healing and so growth of truth to come to realise, just as you’ve found it so difficult.
I’ve wrestled with it all these years Mary, as you know. Because surely if you feel loved, or love for someone or something, then it is love, they are your feelings. However, I can understand what you’re saying, that they are still only love feelings based on how it is for you conditioned by your upbringing, and not true and real love based on truth you’ve uncovered through your feelings. I am still coming to understand just how much we live with our minds in complete control of ourselves. So it’s really a mind-love (if I can put it like that) that we feel love for and loved by, not a feeling-love, that being, true feelings. For sure we might feel loved, but it’s all feelings as you say, generated by our minds, and not true soul-feelings if you like, feelings coming directly from our true self.
That’s right James, and I can see from what you’re saying that you’re being able to grasp it, what I’ve been telling you all these years.
Lately as I’m going deeper into my pain and all I’ve repressed, I have become more aware of how much control my mind has over me; how I’ve made it have that control over me, over my true self and so my true feelings. I am getting a better sense of that.
So Mary, going back to Divine Love making us feeling bad, that would only happen should we be setting out to do our healing as you said.
Yes, and once again, it’s not actually the Love itself that would make you feel bad, it would be just that your mind is less in control than it was, now you’ve moved to submit to living with God, to wanting the Mother and Father in your life as your true Mother and Father, you finding a little more humility within you by accepting and only wanting to be Their child, and no longer wanting to be completely god yourself.
So it’s this breaking down, as you experienced James, of your mind that started to put pressure on you, that started to make you feel bad, all in preparation for meeting Marion who was to introduce you to your healing.
So you actually started to feel bad because of your intention to uncover the truth of yourself through your bad feelings, and it only coincided with your longing for and receiving the Divine Love. The Divine Love didn’t do anything to exacerbate your feeling bad, to stimulate it more, that was all due to your underling intention to live true to yourself and give up the control your mind had over you. The Divine Love just helped you to include God in your life, in the right way, helping you to move in the right direction augmenting your healing and growth of truth.
So Mary, what about those people who receive the Divine Love and then don’t feel bad.
They are simply using it still to add to their superiority, their belief, which might even be unconscious, that they are god and are in control of everything. And so they will feel good, very good that they are receiving the Love, it adding to their ego’s beliefs about themselves. It helping them move deeper into their negative state because they are using it to help bury their bad feelings even more than they already are. And when you read about what they say on the forums you visit you can see how forced and contrived it is as they speak about all their love and increasing loving feelings; all coming about because they are feeling better about themselves and their lives, feeling they have more control, are more important because they are now longing for and receiving God’s Love. It’s all part of the ongoing ego trip James, all false love as I’ve said, and will all have to go, be relinquished, should such people want to start living true to their anti truth states by doing their soul-healing.
But if we are so heavily denying God, how can we have a true and sincere enough longing for Their Love.
That is simply another part of you, one that you can access at any time, and you can long with such sincerity because you do feel you want the Love. There will of course still be a lot of ones mind in there as well, because it’s with your mind you understand it’s a good thing to do, but if your longing and desire is sincere, then the Holy Spirit will bring the Divine Love to you. There is always that door open within you no matter how evil you might be and how much you are living in denial of God, the truth and yourself - your own feelings. And that doorway is the gateway to your soul, to your personal relationship with God, and so it is always there, it can’t be interfered with by anyone or even yourself. One always will have the potential to redeem oneself and partake of the Divine Love - always; no one is ever too bad or too evil. And some people will be able to access this part of themselves easier than others, so some people’s longing will be greater and truer, whereas other peoples not so, they having to employ their minds more to convince themselves they are actually longing correctly and sincerely and are receiving the Divine Love.
Yes, I see what you mean.
Yes, you are receiving pictures of people you know that I am referring to as examples of what we’re speaking about.
Yes I know who you mean and it helps me understand the feelings I’ve had about them. So it’s all far more complex than what was said in the Padgett Messages.
Yes, the Padgett Messages had to comply with the limitation of James Padgett’s mind, which were representative of all the limitations people are living under brought about by the Rebellion and Default.
I just thought then, so there were other people Jesus could have chosen to receive such messages, and all the Celestials said to James telling him they had no idea why Jesus would have chosen him, was all just part and parcel of the whole package, the Celestials knowing full well why James Padgett was chosen.
Yes. The Padgett Messages, as it was also with The Urantia Book, were a finely crafted piece of work all in keeping with the restrictions imposed on Jesus and so all he could reveal to humanity through such an avenue. Really all those spirits who participated in the Messages, and Jesus himself to some extent, had to act like they had parts and lines to play in a play. So you can see how contrived it was, that being what you feel about it, and Helen stuck to her part which we’ve talked about, as well as did all the others. It was not a real and spontaneous revelation like we have with you, where you are free to speak your mind, ask us whatever you like, feel what you feel about it all, discuss it all with us, and have general conversations about it all as you work your way up through the mind circuits growing in truth. It was all actually very forced with James Padgett, he having to work extremely hard to stay in a state and frame of mind that enabled him to reveal the truths that Jesus wanted to convey to humanity. And it’s because of this, that people won’t actually be able to grow in truth from the information contained with the Padgett Messages or The Urantia Book, as neither work talks about the feeling side of it.
No, they are all about the mind, just information for the mind, this I understand now. And at best all you can do is delude yourself that you’re growing in truth as you grow in mental understanding of it all. Which explains why the people on the Divine Love and Urantia Book forums are not growing in truth, only progressing in their metal understanding of such things.
That’s right, and one can’t grow in truth by using a book and adhering to certain principles in that book. And as you know, even with our work together James, still most people will only add it to what is already in their minds and believe they are growing in truth, even when they understand about having to honour and live true to their feelings. There will be relatively few people who actually take the principles we’re talking about and live them, no longer needing any books, looking solely to themselves, to their own feelings for direction, insight and guidance.
Yes, I’m still coming to terms with that, still wondering why I’m bothering putting it out there.
And why is, which you do know, because it is giving you a whole range of experiences that are helping you further grow in truth, helping to stimulate more feelings, good and bad ones, all so you can keep working on yourself and see the benefits of such work.
I am feeling a lot stronger, better within myself about it all, that’s for sure.
Which is going to continue as you keep going deeper into yourself.
I feel completely dedicated to it all now Mary, and I guess my wanting to put it out there is all part of those feelings. I don’t know if I’m still wanting to put it out because of mind stuff, I probably am, as I’m not healed yet, but I do feel more like it’s truer feelings motivating me more each day.
Oh it is James, you have made good progress over the years and now it’s all starting to come to fruition. You and Marion are still to go through the deepest and most profound inner changes that I mentioned to you some months ago, and all you are both doing now is preparing you for that time.
Well, it is all making more sense now, and the more I give up trying to remember and understand it all and keep it up in my mind, the easier I’m finding it all; for as you and Marion have told me, it’s all just within my feelings anyway. And it’s a relief to be able to give up trying to keep it altogether in my mind.
So Mary, really the best we can do concerning our relationship with the Mother and Father whilst we’re still denying Them, whilst we’re still in our negative states, is to speak with Them using our mind, just having a mental relationship with Them whilst we’re also longing to Them for Their Love.
Yes, you can use your mind circuits to relate to Them, and then get all that level of your relationship with Them confused as to it being of love, just as people do in their normal lives together as we spoke about.
So for the person new to all of this Mary, how will they be able to come to terms with the understanding that all they think and feel love to be, might not actually be what it is.
They will start by being introduced to the idea through our writings together, if they’ve not already come to that conclusion themselves through life. And then were they to seriously decide to live true to themselves, so do their healing, they’d gradually come to terms with it as you have James. As with all Jesus and I tell you, we’re telling you things that you are able to deal with now having done so many years of your healing. You’d not have been able to deal with such things when you first were starting out. You would have been able to entertain such notions and ideas with your mind, that being how you dealt with our first writing together in the Rejected Ones, but now you are able to relate to all I’m saying on a feeling level, for you are living such truth yourself. And so it will be the same for other people. And it’s the same for anything, like as you know when you learn about a new job or how to do something, it’s all with your mind first, but it’s not until you’ve mastered it through experience, when you know it with your feelings, that you know what it’s really about. So it’s the same thing with all of this, and as we can’t actually tell your readers what to expect as they do their healing, nor what’s involved because Jesus and I have never done it, all we can say is what we’ve observed with spirits who have healed themselves in the mansion worlds, and what you and Marion have done.
So as we’ve told you, Jesus and I are only setting out the truths in this way for people to think about and see what they feel about it all. And should one choose to do ones healing, then largely one is going to have to work out how to that for themselves. They will of course have your work at a guideline, but as it’s all to do with feelings, and those coming from your soul, so it’s a private and intimate experience with oneself that it involves. And truthfully James, Jesus and I along with all the Celestials and many of the universal personalities are all looking forward to see how people do their healing on Earth. We’ve all seen now how spirits do it in the Divine Love mansion worlds, but as to the flesh world, well, such people will be breaking new ground, something as yet unknown in Nebadon. The Rebellion and in your case Default as well, is unique to your world as to how it has manifested itself, so we’re all very interested as to how humanity will heal itself of it.
I’m very interested in how I’ll ever heal myself Mary. I feel like I’ve got miles to go.
Remember James, it’s only the truth that needs to be seen. And as far as what truth you or anyone needs to see about themselves, life and God, that is up to their soul. Keep expressing all your feelings, and you’ll get there; eventually you’ll stop feeling bad, and then you’ll be able to carry on happily expressing all you feel good about.
Thank you Mary. Time to go.
Speak to you soon James.